The Invention of Buses
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The Invention of Buses
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#2The last stagecoach traveled over the Gotthardpass in the Swiss Alps in 1881, steered by Alois Zgraggen. There's a song about him that ends with:
Now I no longer travel southward,
and I pray to God: My Lord, grant me rest soon,
I’m no good for anything here anymore,
so if you would be merciful to me, let me soon pass through Heaven’s gate.
I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me,
let me soon pass through Heaven’s gate.
Then, when you call,
O God, I’ll sing merrily atop the wagon seat:
“Giddy-up, my Liesel, gently now, at an easy pace!”
Re: The Invention of Buses
#3The last stagecoach traveled over the Gotthardpass in the Swiss Alps in 1881, steered by Alois Zgraggen. There's a song about him that ends with: Now I no longer travel southward, and I pray to God: My Lord, grant me rest soon, I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let me soon pass through Heaven’s gate. I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let…
Could you share the German title of the song?
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#4The last stagecoach traveled over the Gotthardpass in the Swiss Alps in 1881, steered by Alois Zgraggen. There's a song about him that ends with: Now I no longer travel southward, and I pray to God: My Lord, grant me rest soon, I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let me soon pass through Heaven’s gate. I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let…
Could you share the German title of the song?
seems to be "Der letzte Postillion" https://www.deutsche-lieder-online.de/der-letzte-postillion-...
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#5The last stagecoach traveled over the Gotthardpass in the Swiss Alps in 1881, steered by Alois Zgraggen. There's a song about him that ends with: Now I no longer travel southward, and I pray to God: My Lord, grant me rest soon, I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let me soon pass through Heaven’s gate. I’m no good for anything here anymore, so if you would be merciful to me, let…
Interestingly enough, stagecoaches are called "Postkutsche" in German-speaking countries (because they also carried mail), and Switzerland's regional buses ("PostBus") are still operated by a subsidiary of the Swiss Post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostBus_Switzerland. So some ideas live longer than you might expect...
Something similar also exists in Austria and is still called "Postbus", although it's been operated by the national railway company since 2003.
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#6It's interesting that taxis and shared vehicles came so many years before buses. Also interesting to think about through the lens of aviation. I wonder how soon after we had powered flight someone launched a commercial fixed route service. And how much economics has to do with all of this.
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#7So the interesting thread through history for me was the comment on Damascus - the streets were built with houses close together and therefore carriages could not pass each other (and presumably barely in single file)
It was not possible to run a bus service until the roads were widened.
What caused that Inwonder?
In London the fire of 1666 presumably meant streets were made wider (to prevent spread of fire) - but why in Paris? New York was designed as a grid. Was this just a reaction to “urgh, we don’t want to be tired old cities like Damascus so they built wider streets?)
Was it the need to drive traffic through to supply urban areas and take out manufactured goods?
Was it better sanitation?
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#8So the interesting thread through history for me was the comment on Damascus - the streets were built with houses close together and therefore carriages could not pass each other (and presumably barely in single file) It was not possible to run a bus service until the roads were widened. What caused that Inwonder? In London the fire of 1666 presumably meant streets were made wider (to prevent spread of fire) - but wh…
For Paris, the renovations overseen by Georges-Eugène Haussmann between 1853 and 1870 shaped much of the centre of Paris. Overcrowding and sanitation were publicly cited as the main motives for this renovation, although social control was also a factor with the new boulevards deliberately being designed to enable suppression of street-level insurrection.
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#9So the interesting thread through history for me was the comment on Damascus - the streets were built with houses close together and therefore carriages could not pass each other (and presumably barely in single file) It was not possible to run a bus service until the roads were widened. What caused that Inwonder? In London the fire of 1666 presumably meant streets were made wider (to prevent spread of fire) - but wh…
For Paris, the renovations overseen by Georges-Eugène Haussmann between 1853 and 1870 shaped much of the centre of Paris. Overcrowding and sanitation were publicly cited as the main motives for this renovation, although social control was also a factor with the new boulevards deliberately being designed to enable suppression of street-level insurrection.
To expand, the various governments running Paris had a big issue in the early and mid- 19th century with urban insurrections being able to hamper military movement by setting up barricades across streets. There are multiple revolutions and major insurrections that were able to establish strongholds and fortified, highly defensible areas out neighborhoods by building walls out of furniture and debris.
It's much harder to block a military column from advancing down a 200' wide boulevard than down a 20'-alley.
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#10"Wheeled vehicles existed for 5,000 years before someone thought of running a bus service."
Buses weren't economic until the invention of the ICE