I think something like this will need to become ubiquitous, widely supported in software and understood by lay people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Credentials
OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#142if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
So it actually affects the quality of the image. Well, that sucks.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#143if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
So it actually affects the quality of the image. Well, that sucks.
What would be the alternative? If you would store more information without affecting image quality, then compression would remove this information again while retaining the image quality. You will _have_ to alter the 'visible' image to store information.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s definitely hackable, Some of our engineers worked on this long time ago https://deepwalker.xyz/blog/bypassing-synthid-in-gemini-phot...
Conducting insurance fraud? What a usecase.
You'd be surprised how many people use AI to commit such insurance fraud.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
It helps significantly in the current moment. A lot of people are lazy and are getting caught quickly by SynthID. Eventually it won’t matter when image generation is cheap. But few self-host today and few are willing to pay unsubsidized prices, so the vast majority are using the Gemini, OpenAI, and Midjourney. If all 3 adopted SynthID, only a small fraction would use something else.
These systems should be removed. This is antithetical to freedom and privacy. There should be no way for anyone to track down who posted a political meme, anti-religious message, or any other legally protected speech. This will come back to bite us in the ass if we keep building it. Soon every image or communication we make will be watermarked if we continue to let this shit seep into the commons. Everything from you…
If the watermark is anonymous with respect to the person who created it, I do not see a threat to privacy.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
You: "performative nonsense! Arbitrary metadata not of my choosing!" Also you: well, games go through some kind of distribution, which has plenty of telemetry and metadata. Whether it is App Store with notarization, or Steam or Itch who collect analytics and know a lot about you, or your ISP if you self host your eclectic WebGL game from home. Posting on an iPhone or Android phone, to hacker News which has your email…
You are asserting that the existence of metadata in other venues to be proof that this form of watermarking metadata is just fine with you and should be for everyone else because... nope don't see any reason listed here. I have an IP address so therefore this is all fine? "Every accusation is a confession" also seems like an insinuation that I have something to hide but you have "nothing to hide, nothing to fear"ie t…
Lmao you don’t have to use these AI image tools then, it’s not that hard
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#147if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
i wouldn't have any confidence in being able to remove a 0.5 bit watermark (presence/absence). what you see is probably a functional decoy.
You can use the verification tool to check whether the watermark is still detectable and iterate until you successfully removed it .
Of course if you need to regenerate the image with an unwatermarked image-generation model to remove it, it more or less still serves its purpose.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#148if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
i wouldn't have any confidence in being able to remove a 0.5 bit watermark (presence/absence). what you see is probably a functional decoy.
A better way of looking at it is you only need to introduce a .5 bit error.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
So it actually affects the quality of the image. Well, that sucks.
What would be the alternative? If you would store more information without affecting image quality, then compression would remove this information again while retaining the image quality. You will _have_ to alter the 'visible' image to store information.
Yeah I get that anything short of an alteration of the entire surface of the image is reversible. Still, the fact that it is visible sucks.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#150This is just performative nonsense. As someone that creates things with tools with different media I would just hard avoid this tool that adds... arbitrary metadata not of my choosing. Should I seriously make a texture for a videogame with this weird DRM glorp in it? How old is photoshop and why is it exempt?
NO OFFENSE - I think this is genuinely worth digging down that:
- you identify as an artist of sorts,
- you can't tell AI from human images, and
- you sound absolutely pissed off by this.
- those who can tell that an image was AI generated, instantly, even at thumbnail sizes, and manually drawn over
- those who can NOT, regardless of time or resource allotted. Tends to be perpetually angry(my prejudiced PoV).
What could be it? More/less exposure to older, simplistic examples? Prior exposure to human art? Childhood head traumas? Or something else?