It took me the entire web page to understand that the display is in Antwerpen, Belgium.
Maybe I am the one and only ignorant to not know it, but I am pretty sure I am not alone.
Nowadays we give a lot of stuff for granted.
The two oldest printing presses
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#12I visited this museum in Antwerp in late 2023 as part of a trip there and to the Amsterdam area. The museum is fantastic and fascinating. You can also operate a real printing press, inking it and turning the crank, taking home your print. We have it framed on the wall. It's not as "good" as the ones you can buy there, as the inking is not even, but we made it from blank paper, which is pretty special.
One of the highlights of the museum was the foundry, where they made type. As in, hired people to design fonts and create the lead type to print with them. Folks like, you know, Garamond.
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#13It took me the entire web page to understand that the display is in Antwerpen, Belgium. Maybe I am the one and only ignorant to not know it, but I am pretty sure I am not alone. Nowadays we give a lot of stuff for granted.
The address is on their home page, exactly where I at least expected it to be.
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#14As someone who lives in Antwerp, this museum is my number one recommendation for people visiting the city.
It is also a Unesco World Heritage site, which is very unusual for a museum. But that's because the museum occupies what historically was a printing business stretching back many many generations who had -- fortunately -- a bit of a hoarding streak.
Well worth a visit. While you're at it, 'Goodie Foodie' on the same square as the museum serves the best pancakes in the city.
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#15The printing press froze the written German language before natural language evolution had a chance to simplify the declensional system. So, language nuts: how much time would have sufficed for German to simplify "sufficiently" ? Another couple of hundred years ? A two hundred year delay in the introduction of the printing press certainly would have changed German and European history.
I wonder how true that statement is. Dutch grammar simplified a lot after the invention of the printing press. And while I don't speak Neuhochdeutsch or Mittelhochdeutsch, I imagine the latter is a lot less streamlined than the former.
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#16The printing press froze the written German language before natural language evolution had a chance to simplify the declensional system. So, language nuts: how much time would have sufficed for German to simplify "sufficiently" ? Another couple of hundred years ? A two hundred year delay in the introduction of the printing press certainly would have changed German and European history.
> The printing press froze the written German language before natural language evolution had a chance to simplify the declensional system.
If natural language evolution had any tendency to simplify the declensional system, German would have been born with no declensional system. There was plenty of time. That just isn't how language change works.
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#17Considering movable type was in China in 1040 (Bi Sheng, inventor) I wonder if there are any extant presses there.
I don't think the Chinese had presses like Gutenberg invented. Type was set in a frame, inked, and the paper pressed over the inked type manually. Gutenberg's great innovation was coupling the screw press, already in use for pressing olives and grapes for oil and juice, with movable metal type. The Chinese didn't put the two together.
> I don't think the Chinese had presses like Gutenberg invented. Type was set in a frame, inked, and the paper pressed over the inked type manually.
The Chinese printed extensively, but they didn't emphasize movable type, since it had no real advantages to offer. They did block printing.
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#18Maybe I'm too nitpicky, but I wish that, out of the 8 times that they write "the oldest printing presses", they would at least once mention that these are the oldest (known) surviving printing presses, just to avoid anyone getting a wrong impression. Actually, they're not even the oldest in Belgium by a long margin, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_the_printing_...), the first printing presses in Belgium started operating in 1473, so 127 years before these.
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#19The printing press froze the written German language before natural language evolution had a chance to simplify the declensional system. So, language nuts: how much time would have sufficed for German to simplify "sufficiently" ? Another couple of hundred years ? A two hundred year delay in the introduction of the printing press certainly would have changed German and European history.
> The printing press froze the written German language before natural language evolution had a chance to simplify the declensional system. If natural language evolution had any tendency to simplify the declensional system, German would have been born with no declensional system. There was plenty of time . That just isn't how language change works.
Data point: Icelandic and Lithuanian are very conservative Indo-European languages; Icelandic and Lithuanian are grammatical nightmares.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's fast. Two skilled pressmen working together could do 200 to 250 impressions per hour or about one every 15 seconds (which might be 4, 8, 16 pages on each impression depending on page size). That was the speed text was put to paper from Gutenberg all the way until steam presses arrive at the start of the 19th century. The screw press also applies an even uniform pressure across the whole page; that's hard to do m…
Do you have any recommendations for books on the history of movable type?
Mark Kurlinsky's "Paper" covers the early history of printing presses in Europe in great detail. Printers and their presses followed, or instigated, the local paper making industry. There is less focus on the evolution of moveable type there, but I'm also reading "Thinking With Type" by Ellen Lupton which hits the highlights in the history of typeface design.