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OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#122if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
It’s definitely hackable, Some of our engineers worked on this long time ago
https://deepwalker.xyz/blog/bypassing-synthid-in-gemini-phot...
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#123I think this is a move by openai/google to prevent their own models from training on ai slop rather than some morally righteous public initiative.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes... they do matter, perhaps using care in your understanding before attempting to nitpick? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management#Wate...
Perhaps bother to read what you linked before being snarky? > They are not complete DRM mechanisms in their own right, but are used as part of a system for copyright enforcement ... Because watermarks in and of themselves are not, in fact, DRM. Even if I agree that their mass adoption by BigTech is a really bad sign for personal privacy and (eventually) freedom.
Yes I did read it years ago and again today?
If you read my original point you'd see I said "weird DRM glorp" which you and other have tried, and failed to only closely parse "DRM" so that you could nitpick poorly.
It is integral and part of DRM systems and certainly "weird DRM glorp" for an actual close reader.
DRM is not just "I cant watch X movie because DRM" even if that is the statistically prevalent understanding of DRM.
Its a suite of technologies of which watermarking is one of.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, ok? It's, like, incredible." — Donald Trump So what does a deepfake matter?
Are there other politicians? Do disgruntled employees have bosses? Ex partners? A national news story in the US tonight, Lyft driver caught faking photos of his messy car. Not the most intelligent fraudster as he left the Gemini logo on the corner of the image. Providing these four examples in good faith :) also generally I _dislike_ DRM
Against MILLLIONS of legitimate uses which you don't seem to care to protect?
You should also think about whether, suddenly, courts can now trust images they see because this technology exists?
I think thats not even basically plausible.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#126While this is definitely one of the topics of the moment. I find these threads really just ragebait magnets. A bunch of people effectively talking past one another: privacy vs preserving the status quo.
It's certain now that most of the Western world has slid into fascism. Privacy and common decency advocates are all but lost.
I will say this, for everyone celebrating this as something that is "extremely beneficial to the cultural moment",
If I were an adversarial nation-state actor, I might be extremely interested in reverse engineering this and poisoning the well by applying it to real images.
Let's make the world impossible to understand.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#127Is it like metadata in mp3?
If I take a screenshot of an AI image, will that then be seen as an AI image? Is that 'hidden in the image' or as metadata?
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are not required to use AI generation for images. You can go on living your life without it. I believe in you.
Hatred for AI and cheering a loss of privacy are strange bedfellows. Would not have been on my bingo card.
I don't really hate AI. You presume too much.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I saw the article I was initially skeptical. I do look down on OpenAI, Google, and other such companies. But on second thought it is not a bad idea to be able to have a quick tool to identify an image as AI generated. And after reading your reaction to it, I am sure now that the watermark is for the best.
So you are in the"nothing to hide, nothing to fear" school of privacy rights? Only criminals and bad actors want private defaults? The burden of proof is proving there is some harm or problem that needs solving and noone has managed that in this thread or generally.
> So you are in the"nothing to hide, nothing to fear" school of privacy rights?
No, but you are in the school that teaches that false equivalence is valid rationale.
> Only criminals and bad actors want private defaults
As I was saying.
> The burden of proof is proving there is some harm or problem that needs solving and noone has managed that in this thread or generally.
"Burden of proof" is a concept borrowed from legal practice where the accuser has to offer proof that the accused commited a crime.
No crime is being implied here. Watermarking is actually a useful feature so that people can easily identify images as AI generated.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#130if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
Can an image just be stretched or compressed a very tiny bit?