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Re: Google changes its search box

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I know a lot of regular people who hate this, but Kagi can be a hard sell for regular people. What are y’all’s recommendations for free search engines at the moment? I used to rec DDG, but I feel like their results are much worse than Kagi’s at present

Our results have continually improved, and would be happy to take your feedback (email is in my profile) if you give it another try.

Thanks, I will do that

Re: Google changes its search box

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What scares me about this new AI mode thingy is that every answer sounds like a systematic literature review, but only for the results. For example, if I look for users feedback about a specific product, it says "People think that..., but also that...; It's important to notice that some people ..." where with 'people' it means just a random comment on a random website just because it thought it was a good contributio…

The scary bit is the use of the term AI. The "I" implies critical thinking.

For models trained on a corpus of groomed data, the "critical thinking" bit is baked into the work of grooming the data and how it is trained. And someone is thinking critically about both so as to make a good model.

Now, every damn thing is called AI no matter where it is getting results from.

Are modern models super handy? Absolutely.

But calling it AI implies a lot more critical thought than is actually happening!

Edit: took the time to write a shorter comment.

Re: Google changes its search box

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I had an interesting one yesterday. Someone responded to me on Reddit with very official sounding words to make their argument. I was still dubious and googled a few of the concepts they threw out there.

The AI confidently told me they were right. Then I checked the sources, and found the only source that agreed with them was their own Reddit comment!!!

Re: Google changes its search box

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A lot of people in these comments have strong opinions about the performance of a service they use frequently, for which they pay zero dollars, and is run by a public company with a fiduciary duty to provide ROI to its investors.

I wonder how many of them would switch to a paid model that offered pre-ai-era google search?

Re: Google changes its search box

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, fair. Hard to understand why it would get that wrong.

I’d make assumptions about how the cheapest and fastest possible flash model optimized for being extra cheap and extra fast would get something wrong based on its limited context (which can be very incomplete summaries of search results)

I often have the expensive models give relatively simple inaccurate answers, even when they cite sources that directly contradict them. The error rate is lower, but you can’t have confidence with llm answers.

Re: Google changes its search box

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self hosting a web search engine is probably quite a feat

It's actually not that hard now, once you get useful content. When I worked on Search (~2009ish), the primary index was called 4BBase, because it was the top 4 billion webpages (actually more like 5.5B during my time, but it had been around for a few years). A typical webpage is about 100K, and HTML compresses at 80-90% compression rates, so you're looking at 10-20K/page. The index would take about 50-100 TB. Even af…

If an ex Googler compares Elastic Search to the old company then it mustbe something good.

Re: Google changes its search box

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So many questions: Is “the goal of Search” really: “to help you ask _anything_ on your mind”? If “reimagined Search” is “designed to anticipate your intent”, Would it correctly infer my intent to not utilize an agentic approach? Is there an “off switch”? As for “Search agents” “operating in the background 24/7”, What is the carbon footprint of that? How do I turn it off? How do I ask it to stop phoning home my every…

People saying ChatGPT will kill search, really mean LLMs generally will kill old school web searches that just return links. Google is doing this because they agree with the sentiment and are just becoming ChatGPT.

Re: Google changes its search box

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I had an interesting one yesterday. Someone responded to me on Reddit with very official sounding words to make their argument. I was still dubious and googled a few of the concepts they threw out there. The AI confidently told me they were right. Then I checked the sources, and found the only source that agreed with them was their own Reddit comment!!!

I've found this several times as well. I googled something to dispute a comment in reddit, and google "confirmed" it as accurate, citing what the person said in that exact reddit comment.

Google has become the ouroboros

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