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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by himata4113 »

Jabbles wrote: post #87
himata4113 wrote: post #9

Engineers at google have publically stated that the models are too big and are far from their potencial. Glad they're being proven right with every release. They continue to focus on smaller models while openai and anthropic are increasing compute requirements for their SOTA models.

> Engineers at google have publically stated that the models are too big and are far from their potencial Can you link to a source?

I wish I could, it was one of those youtube podcast type interviews with one of the engineers, there was a lot more shared, but that line stuck with me the most.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by guelo »

winrid wrote: post #374
pezgrande wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were CPU killers but man those Flash websites were gorgeous (talking mostly about MU Online "private" servers)

It was probably the right call at the time with low bandwidth. Nowadays I bet flash would execute faster than most js heavy sites :D

It was not the right call, Steve Jobs was just a monopolist killing a competing platform and we're all worse off for it.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by kridsdale3 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #346
simonw wrote: post #131

The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

Love your pelicans, as always. And that one is... Wow. I noticed the "Synthwave" aesthetic, which is enjoying quite some success since quite some time now, has found its way into AI models (even when it's not in the user's query). It's not the first time I see the sun at sunset with color bands etc. in AI-generated pictures. Don't know why it's now taking on in AI too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthwave Hence th…

Sythwave vibe hype hit a cultural high point with the release of Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon in 2013.

So it's as relevant and baked-in to today as actual 80s synth-culture was in 2000.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by coffeecoders »

hedgehog wrote: post #136
simonw wrote: post #131

The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

That pelican looks like it's in Miami for a crypto conference.

That pelican looks like it lost 100k on NFTs and now runs a paid stock-trading group.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by KoolKat23 »

gpm wrote: post #240
tempaccount420 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not priced at inference cost. My guess: it's the price at which they make more money than if they rent the TPUs to other companies. The Gemini team has had trouble securing enough TPUs for their user's needs. They struggle with load and their rate limits are really bad. Maybe at a higher price, they have a better chance at getting more TPUs assigned?

The cost at such they could rent out the TPUs, i.e. the market rate, is the inference cost. Just because you are vertically integrated doesn't mean you get to discount the one business units products to the other. Doing so discounts the opportunity cost you pay and is just bad accounting.

Basic business principle, you charge what people are willing to pay not what it costs.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

margorczynski wrote: post #331

Wow at the price hike. Still I think in the long run the Chinese will win if they're able to produce hardware comparable to Nvidia.

I've had the $20 Gemini plan to use when my local setup runs into tougher problems and the throttling today has been bonkers. I canceled my subscription and will look into upgrading my local setup.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by kridsdale3 »

kristopolous wrote: post #262

I have a tool to track these I've built Relatively speaking here's where it's at: score age size name 44.2 97 large GLM-5 (Reasoning) 44.7 187 - GPT-5.1 (high) 44.9 29 - Qwen3.6 Max Preview 45 0 - Gemini 3.5 Flash 45.5 27 large MiMo-V2.5-Pro 45.6 75 - GPT-5.4 (low) this is from artificial-analysis using https://github.com/day50-dev/aa-eval-email/blob/main/art-ana... I really don't know why people down vote me. What d…

Buddy, this tone may be why.

We genuinely don't understand what your post is about. What is this tool? What are these numbers representative? Why are things sorted in that order?

You haven't communicated really anything at all. I am interested, I'd like to understand. Write a more complete post, please.

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