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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by tredre3 »

15155 wrote: post #24
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

Stalin had no issues photoshopping images almost 100 years ago.

Stalin had all the resources imaginables at his disposal.

Now Nancy, a tech-phobic waitress who has a grudge against her coworker can make up an entire scenario with one prompt and her colleagues might blindly believe her.

Let's not pretend they're the same thing.

Gen AI is inevitable. Watermarking is likely futile. But in my opinion it is still very important to discuss how, as a society, we're going to live in a post-truth world now that anybody can, IN SECONDS, not only fabricate a story but also spread it to thousands of people through their social media.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by int0x29 »

15155 wrote: post #24
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

Stalin had no issues photoshopping images almost 100 years ago.

Generating realistic video of arbitrary things and people at scale is quite a bit of a different game than retouching photos

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by streetfighter64 »

int0x29 wrote: post #17
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

The concept of truth? A bit overblown don't you think? Because some guy can make a realistic looking fake videos that destroys the "concept" of truth? How?

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by croes »

15155 wrote: post #24
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

Stalin had no issues photoshopping images almost 100 years ago.

A good example why fake images are bad.

Do you want to make it easier for the next Stalin?

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by xp84 »

tptacek wrote: post #22
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

It either works reliably or it doesn't; if it doesn't, it's better that everybody be clear about that.

Fair enough. While I would kind of wish AI could be reliably detected, deep down I know this is impossible and it would be pretty bad if we had, say, a prosecution that succeeded because "this 'provably-non-AI' photo places you at the scene of the crime" because only a few underground people know how to remove a watermark.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by xp84 »

airstrike wrote: post #30

Regardless of one's opinion about this particular project, it seems obvious to me that the path forward is proving authenticity of non-AI resources rather than attempting to watermark all the AI-generated ones.

Pretty hard problem to tackle when you can point an "authenticated" camera at a really nice screen and snap a 'definitely real' photo of anything a screen can display :(

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by ls612 »

Tiberium wrote: post #3

This is a bit misleading as for Gemini it only properly removes the visible watermark. To remove SynthID it has to regenerate the image at low noise with SDXL, which will likely destroy a lot of small details, plus won't work for higher res properly (NB2 and GPT Image 2 support up to 4K image outputs)

Is SDXL still the best local image model all these years later? Damn, that’s sad…

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by croes »

akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Do we care about truth?

Without truth freedom and privacy are endangered too.

The other comment talks about laws that can already handle that. How if images, video and audio aren’t reliable proof anymore?

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