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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by bonoboTP »

int0x29 wrote: post #17
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

It's already possible to lie with text. Pixels are pixels. If we can't blindly believe pixels to show the truth, we will be simply back to the pre-photography era which managed to have a concept of truth regardless.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by tptacek »

int0x29 wrote: post #17
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

It either works reliably or it doesn't; if it doesn't, it's better that everybody be clear about that.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Barbing »

rezonant wrote: post #8
Tiberium wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree about the justification in the repo being wrong, but wanted to engage about this point: > Image generators cannot insert watermarks into things they did not generate It's actually very easy to take a real image, ask Gemini/ChatGPT to modify some tiny part of it (could be something as silly as lighting/shadow/etc), and often the resulting image will be detected by their watermarking tools. This way you…

So what? I can also open an image in Photoshop and make sure it saves out some Photoshop specific EXIF data and try to claim the image was doctored. What I can't do is go and put my deceptive altered file up in place of the original in all the places on the Internet it exists.

I had to think about it, how about if the claim were:

If you take a photograph that is misidentified as AI generated, you can “preserve the historical record“ by using this tool before publishing the image.

(Anyone know the false positive rate with watermark IDs, would’ve hoped it’s like zero)

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by 15155 »

int0x29 wrote: post #17
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

Stalin had no issues photoshopping images almost 100 years ago.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by int0x29 »

63stack wrote: post #20
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

Nobody said that?

Saying that watermarking fake things is bad kinda strongly implies it
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