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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by mynameisash »

overrun11 wrote: post #357
mynameisash wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon was unprofitable for over a decade, and they were public. Amazon was unprofitable because they poured their revenue into growth. On paper, they were in the red, but everyone - especially investors - saw what was going to happen, given their trajectory. Is it the case that any of these AI companies are actually making a ton of money and growing accordingly? AFAICT, we've just got [a] big players like Google t…

Yes that is exactly what is happening. OpenAI and Anthropic are the fastest growing companies by revenue ever and their gross profit margins are healthy.

According to this article[0]:

> HSBC Global Investment Research projects that OpenAI still won’t be profitable by 2030, even though its consumer base will grow by that point to comprise some 44% of the world’s adult population (up from 10% in 2025). Beyond that, it will need at least another $207 billion of compute to keep up with its growth plans.

This article is from six months ago. Was HSBC wrong; did something dramatically change in the last six months; is OpenAI not, in fact, profitable?, or are they in fact doing well but doing a huge investment (as was the case with Amazon 25ish years ago)?

I genuinely do not know, but my impression is that they're burning investment capital trying to compete with others' investment capital and Google's bottomless pockets.

[0] https://fortune.com/2025/11/26/is-openai-profitable-forecast...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by esafak »

kristopolous wrote: post #262

I have a tool to track these I've built Relatively speaking here's where it's at: score age size name 44.2 97 large GLM-5 (Reasoning) 44.7 187 - GPT-5.1 (high) 44.9 29 - Qwen3.6 Max Preview 45 0 - Gemini 3.5 Flash 45.5 27 large MiMo-V2.5-Pro 45.6 75 - GPT-5.4 (low) this is from artificial-analysis using https://github.com/day50-dev/aa-eval-email/blob/main/art-ana... I really don't know why people down vote me. What d…

I see no 'score' or 'age' mentioned in your script. What does age signify and how are they calculated?

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by Eji1700 »

tantalor wrote: post #184
simonw wrote: post #131

The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

Forgetting the chainstay is typical of asking random people to draw a bicycle. https://www.gianlucagimini.it/portfolio-item/velocipedia/ > most ended up drawing something that was pretty far off from a regular men’s bicycle

Although every single render of those has pedals on the correct side as opposed to the Gemini optical illusion back pedal that tries to be both on the other side of the central gear and infront of the back wheel.

Not really a criticism but an interesting point that you would never expect a human to make that mistake even in a bad drawing.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by winrid »

pezgrande wrote: post #321
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #177

Am I really so old that when someone says "Flash" my immediate response is... "consider HTML5 instead" ??

They were CPU killers but man those Flash websites were gorgeous (talking mostly about MU Online "private" servers)

It was probably the right call at the time with low bandwidth. Nowadays I bet flash would execute faster than most js heavy sites :D

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by stared »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #161
simonw wrote: post #131

The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

This is a perfect illustration of something I noticed with llm progress. Ask them to improve an svg like this, and it never fixes the missing crossbar or disconnected limbs, it just adds more stuff. In this example they have obviously improved greatly, and it contains a ridiculous amount of detail, but they still to get the basic shape of the frame wrong. It's weird. And the pattern shows up everywhere, try it with a…

To a certain extent, it feels like a Sonnet 3.7 moment. Slightly overeager - you ask for a button color change, you see layout changes, new package dependencies, and the README rewritten from scratch - and not necessarily correctly.

When I ask for a pelican on a bike, I want the Platonic ideal of a pelican on a bike, not a vision of an alternative reality in which pelicans created bikes. Though, thinking about it again, maybe I should.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by robwwilliams »

WarmWash wrote: post #311
SwellJoe wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opus 4.7 is smarter than even Gemini 3.1 Pro on nearly every metric, though. You're comparing apples to oranges. Gemini 3.1 Flash is somewhere in the neighborhood between current Haiku and Sonnet, I think? Still a better value than the Anthropic models, I guess, which are quite pricey. Since Gemini 3.5 Flash is raising the price to $1.50/$9.00, it's priced between Haiku and Sonnet. If it outperforms Sonnet, it remain…

>Opus 4.7 is smarter than even Gemini 3.1 Pro on nearly every metric, Outside of coding, claude models are pretty meh. GPT and Gemini are the workhorses of science/math/finance.

Not in my fields of science: Genetics and neuroscience. The combination of Opus 4.7 Adaptive used with well structure project folders is amazingly useful.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by vitorgrs »

WarmWash wrote: post #57
aliljet wrote: post #33

Is there a good benchmark tracking hallucinations? The models are all incredibly good now, even the open ones, and my hope is that the rate of hallucinations is something that's falling off in concert with larger and larger context lengths.

People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts. Every provider allows sharing chats, and anyone can share a prompt that reliably produces hallucinations. More often than not, people are using images in responses that go awry. Which is fair, the models are sold as multi-modal, but image analyses is still at gpt-4.0 text-analyses levels. Also knowledge cutoff issues,…

Just ask any real question about stuff. LLM is not about code only...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by lanthissa »

Clueed wrote: post #327
lanthissa wrote: post #256

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switching models is insanely cheap compared to token cost on anything signficant, this is a take so cynical it misses the reality

in any corporate or half compliance-relevant setting switching isn't trivial. new DPA, subprocessor notifications, TIA, procurement review, security questionnaires, plus re-running your evals because prompts don't transfer 1:1. token cost is just one of the line items.

no it really not, even the soggiest bank has multiple api vendors atm.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by uean »

I have to admit that 3.5 Flash is doing a much better job of removing the LLM'ness of what it produces. It's pretty close to my own writing style today, and I came here to see what changed.

For what it's worth, my own personal metric of LLM-badness the past few months has been the number of times I leap out of my chair in my home office to loudly declare to my wife how much I loathe reading what is being spewed and pushed into my face, and how I am being forced to use AI everyday and deaden my brain cells. Today is like a breath of fresh air.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by stared »

hei-lima wrote: post #138
GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

We need another "Deepseek moment" or else it will become impossible for the regular dude to use AI. It will become something that only big companies can afford.

We have a "DeepSeek moment", https://github.com/antirez/ds4 (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48142108).

Or if you prefer smaller ones, Qwen3.6-35B-A3B, https://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUF

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