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Re: Google changes its search box

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My literal first thought was "do I seriously need to use bing now?".

There is a 99% chance (IMO) that Microsoft is going to go the same route as Google here

Microsoft has already gone down this road some three years ago...

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/02/07/reinventing-sear...

Re: Google changes its search box

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Sometimes I use chatgpt thinking mode for searches when I expect there will be a lot of noise. "What are some in-depth reviews for " Have you tried explicitly asking for links to primary sources?

I see ChatGPT traffic to my website for hallucinated pages.

It means they actually clicked the link. That's what you're supposed to do!

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Yep. For years we've been telling people to 'just fucking google it', and now when they do they're getting bullshit AI answers. Worst thing is, some of these bullshit answers will be medical, some of them financial, it seems pretty certain people are being harmed.

It seems to me one needs to consider the complexity of the question they are asking before searching it. To stick with your post, consider people asking medical or financial questions. For a wide variety of reasons, many of such questions don't have an answer. In such cases, AI is still going to take a crack at it. AI shouldn't be blamed for "bullshit answers" to such questions. Before using AI, I think people should…

The problem is Google's AI results get even simple factual questions wrong all the time.

Earlier today, I searched "pixel 10 wifi 7" because I was confused that GSMArena showed my Pixel 8 supports Wifi 7, but the Pixel 10 only Wifi 6. Gemini confidently claimed that the Pixel 10 does support Wifi 7 -- but that's not true at all. Only the Pixel 10 _Pro_ supports it, as I discovered when actually reading the non-AI search results.

And this is a question about a Google product!

Re: Google changes its search box

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> They have no obligation to respect your wishes I have no obligation to not send all scraper-looking traffic to a black hole full of zip bombs.

Spreading malware to your website's visitors is wild and illegal in most jurisdictions. I certainly wouldn't confess about it online.

Malware? It's just a large file. A very, very large file.

But fine. How about I just...don't respond to those requests at all. I have no obligation to send them data period.

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Kagi is better. Kagi is damn good, as much a revelation as the Google of old. Not free, though.

Been using Kagi search for more than a year. Been happy. I use GPT/et al for the little things (e.g. unit conversions, rather than search for and then try to use an enshittified web page from 10 years ago). But for actual real tech leaning content, Kagi has been pretty good.

A lot of unit conversions are just built into Kagi (and Google!). "Searching" for "10nzd in usd" gives me a price, "10kg in lb" gives me a converted unit, etc.

Re: Google changes its search box

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Depends on what you ask. It's pretty easy to get wrong information. e.g. search for "how do you make money with options" Google's AI says "When you buy a Call, you are betting the stock price will go up. When you buy a Put, you are betting it will go down." Wrong right off the bat, because it ingested a whole bunch of get-rich-quick bull on the internet. The correct version is that if you buy a call you are betting t…

This is the problem with teaching and learning. Everything is wrong to some extent. I used to be this way but I don't have a better approach. Newtonian physics is actually wrong, the founding of any country will be wrong, biology is wrong, nutrition is wrong… what can we even teach? what should we teach in this lens? serious question.

The serious answer is in the non-AI-summarized world, you can choose whose information to read and trust.

If you want to learn about finance, you can learn about it from people who actually know what they're talking about. You can choose to listen to Jim Simons or Warren Buffet or whoever actually knows a thing or two instead of the rando dude you met at the bar. The AI summaries, on the other hand, ingested a lot of internet garbage.

I picked finance as an example because anecdotally, most of the information on the internet by pure token volume is wrong. The Youtubers drawing lines on charts want your attention because they make money from page views; the financial advisors want your annual fees; the brokerages want you to gamble and get your commisions or PFOF (in the case of zero-commision brokers); the market makers and HFTs want your spreads; Reddit users want to show off their lucky, statistically insignificant profit charts for karma points. None of the above have an intention to give you good information.

Re: Google changes its search box

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In watching the demo, I didn't come away with the impression that they were removing search results. Yes, they are pushing AI hard, but users can still opt to use Google in the more traditional way. Unless I misunderstood the demo, it's definitely possible to choose.

"possible to choose" doesn't get us much. An interesting aspect of this is the decrease in quality feedback on th organic links. If most people never get down to the actual links there is very little to tell which ones were good or if they had any relevance. There is also that less incentive to properly maintain the search algorithms to fight SEO and spam. For all intents and purpose, organic search results have been…

Organic search dying was my first reaction too. But, who knows...this wouldn't be the first time I've heard that.

Re: Google changes its search box

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It seems to me one needs to consider the complexity of the question they are asking before searching it. To stick with your post, consider people asking medical or financial questions. For a wide variety of reasons, many of such questions don't have an answer. In such cases, AI is still going to take a crack at it. AI shouldn't be blamed for "bullshit answers" to such questions. Before using AI, I think people should…

The problem is Google's AI results get even simple factual questions wrong all the time. Earlier today, I searched "pixel 10 wifi 7" because I was confused that GSMArena showed my Pixel 8 supports Wifi 7, but the Pixel 10 only Wifi 6. Gemini confidently claimed that the Pixel 10 does support Wifi 7 -- but that's not true at all. Only the Pixel 10 _Pro_ supports it, as I discovered when actually reading the non-AI sea…

Ok, fair. Hard to understand why it would get that wrong.
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