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Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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Doesn’t this violate commerce between states, effectively?

It does, but the constitution's already been shredded and it's dog-eat-dog in the political space right now, so we'll see how it goes.

SCOTUS will probably soon rule that extracting wealth from alienated gamblers is a fundamental American right, that the founding fathers had in mind when drafting the constitution.

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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I could imagine cases where prediction markets could offer some actual insight, but in practice they seem few and far between. Most markets I've seen devolve into one or more of: betting on unimportant events (e.g. sports games), insider trading, or poorly written ambiguous resolution criteria. It's just hard for me to imagine that, on net, these markets will offer more societal good than the harm we've seen from sports betting.

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For the record, Minnesota currently has a complete ban on sports betting. We've seen a couple other states that allow sports betting go after prediction markets. Personally, I feel that any state that allows sports betting is going to struggle to argue a case to ban prediction markets because you're essentially arguing over implementation details. Even arguments that certain prediction markets are ripe for insider tr…

But I thought the Supreme Court said online sports betting was interstate commerce and out of the domain of state legislation. Or did I get that completely wrong?

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For the record, Minnesota currently has a complete ban on sports betting. We've seen a couple other states that allow sports betting go after prediction markets. Personally, I feel that any state that allows sports betting is going to struggle to argue a case to ban prediction markets because you're essentially arguing over implementation details. Even arguments that certain prediction markets are ripe for insider tr…

I think you could make a case in separating the two, of course opening further discussion, but because sports betting takes place in a comparatively very controlled environment I think the risk profile is pretty different versus, idk, betting that the temperate will be at or above a certain point and then someone sticks a hair dryer on the thermostat[1]. Cheating can happen in sports of course, but the risk profile a…

> So you read an article "China disappears random person" and then at the end you click a button and bet whether that person is alive or dead or whatever.

So think really hard about what the problem with this whole concept might be...

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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as the article notes, prediction markets are regulated by the CFTC as a commodities futures contract, so I'm not sure how any state law survives a federal pre-emption challenge. On the other hand, it's a little unusual to see a federal agency suing to protect its turf. Would've expected a class action by a Minnesota user of the service to bring the challenge instead.

Nevada was able to get it banned. The casino pull is huge.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you could make a case in separating the two, of course opening further discussion, but because sports betting takes place in a comparatively very controlled environment I think the risk profile is pretty different versus, idk, betting that the temperate will be at or above a certain point and then someone sticks a hair dryer on the thermostat[1]. Cheating can happen in sports of course, but the risk profile a…

> So you read an article "China disappears random person" and then at the end you click a button and bet whether that person is alive or dead or whatever. So think really hard about what the problem with this whole concept might be...

No need, it's very obvious. I'm just stating what I think the future is likely to be, not necessarily the one that is the best.

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There's plenty of legal gambling in Minnesota. To quote the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library it includes "horse racing, a card club at Canterbury Park, Indian tribal casinos, charitable gambling, and a state lottery." ( https://www.lrl.mn.gov/guides/guides?issue=gambling )

Tribal casinos are a whole different situation given their legal sovereignty.

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For the record, Minnesota currently has a complete ban on sports betting. We've seen a couple other states that allow sports betting go after prediction markets. Personally, I feel that any state that allows sports betting is going to struggle to argue a case to ban prediction markets because you're essentially arguing over implementation details. Even arguments that certain prediction markets are ripe for insider tr…

But I thought the Supreme Court said online sports betting was interstate commerce and out of the domain of state legislation. Or did I get that completely wrong?

The core holding was this

> "congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each state is free to act on its own."

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