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Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#21

Impressive work, love seeing tools that boost local LLM reliability without touching the model itself

Thank you! It was a really fun rabbit hole to fall into and I found a bunch of counterintuitive stuff.

I'm in the same boat, tuning models wasn't super interesting, though I might do a focused spike on behavior -focused fine tuning. But the harness matters almost more than the model in many cases.

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#23

I get a strong LLM smell in your description. If you couldn't bother to write it, why should I bother to read it?

I definitely use LLMs to help write things - but this is my draft!

Maybe I've been spending too much time reading the evals and I now sound like an LLM...

Either way, here I am - happy to answer any questions!

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#24

I get a strong LLM smell in your description. If you couldn't bother to write it, why should I bother to read it?

If you are so outright against using AI, why would he care if you read his article about AI?

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#25
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Happy to answer questions about the eval methodology, the backend findings, or anything in the repo. I'll be around.

super interesting work. It will take me a few days to dig in and really understand it. But I'm looking forward to it.

I run small models at home, so I'm very curious.

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so it a "smart" retry mechanism?

I'd like to think so! ;). It has some brains, but the key insight was to send the model domain-agnostic nudges. I don't need to know what you're trying to do, the LLM already knows, I just need to nudge it back on the structural side: text response vs tool call, arg mismatch, etc. and let its knowledge of the context fill in the blanks (otherwise I'd need a massive library of every possible failure mode). The other i…

Maybe similar to Instructor [1] which was a cool tool for json and structured output enforcement combining pydandic with ai retry loops very handy for when models don't have that covered

[1] https://github.com/567-labs/instructor

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#27

I get a strong LLM smell in your description. If you couldn't bother to write it, why should I bother to read it?

If you are so outright against using AI, why would he care if you read his article about AI?

AI usage is great. The problem is the asymmetry in effort between generating text automatically, and then further amplifying this via posting it, while then expecting human eyeballs to spend the time reading it. It is antisocial.

If you're generating AI text you shouldn't expect humans that you aren't paying to bother reading it, purely out of politeness. Brian Cantrill has a great piece on this: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#29

I get a strong LLM smell in your description. If you couldn't bother to write it, why should I bother to read it?

I definitely use LLMs to help write things - but this is my draft! Maybe I've been spending too much time reading the evals and I now sound like an LLM... Either way, here I am - happy to answer any questions!

I guess it's that, and yes, much as they learned speech patterns from us, now we start to learn from them.

I play with local models a lot but also have limited time and the conciseness, polish and human indication in presentation has become a major quality indicator. I've wasted too much time with slop projects or people's LLM-induced delusions and now take a pretty strict line on what I'm willing to spend my time on. Even if this ends up with some false positives, there's just so much happening these days it doesn't really matter...

Best of luck with Forge!

Re: Show HN: Forge – Guardrails take an 8B model from 53% to 99% on agentic tasks

#30
Very cool work ! I'm running harness system myself and could measure improvement of token use of 2x to 10x on gsm8k only by running a math harness - i'm confident the future is bright for people who will know how to sell tech that is appropriately scaled to one's need. We absolutely do not need to run Claude 123 for most tasks and we better prepare for the rag-pull !
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