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Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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If I wanted to fall under that reporting limit, can I just dilute my wastewater a bit more?

The classic pre-EPA slogan comes to mind: "the solution to pollution is dilution".

The dosage makes the poison - but if it sticks around in the body dilution may slightly alleviate effects but at the cost of more widespread buildup. This is out of my field so I'm not certain if that's a concern here.

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I wanted to fall under that reporting limit, can I just dilute my wastewater a bit more?

The classic pre-EPA slogan comes to mind: "the solution to pollution is dilution".

In some cases it still is, but we need to emphasize the exceptions, which can be rather serious.

For example, we can hardly "dilute" CFCs or CO2 any more than we did, by putting them into a whopping 5.15×10^18 kg of the entire atmosphere of the Earth. Yet both still cause bad things, because there's no (sufficient) process to break them down or move them to a safe state.

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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You sound like you're the one in a cult, jumping on the bash wagon without reading what's going on.

This is an entire nothing burger. Levels are within limits and they have a permit, it was just not communicated between departments. It's a failure of the Texan democracy, not a failure of Musk.

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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post #22

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> So, it's fine as long as it's legal, then? > Love that way of thinking. I mean.. yeah, kinda'? We live in a society made up of laws, that's kind of the premise. So if we don't think something is fine, we can make it illegal (and we often do). It's a pretty good way of thinking methinks, what's your alternative?

Dunno, maybe strive to release no pollutants at all? Then we wouldn't need all the pesky big government overreach.

How would you do that, assuming you wanted to keep up the material standard of living that the people you care about are used to?

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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Obviously, discharging "dark and murky" polluted water is bad. But some of the figures from the lab report don't seem that terrible: * Hexavalent chromium at 0.0104 milligrams per liter, just above the lab’s reporting limit of 0.01 mg/L. Hexavalent chromium is classified as a known human carcinogen by the US National Toxicology Program. It is the substance the Erin Brockovich case was built around. * Arsenic at 0.002…

If I wanted to fall under that reporting limit, can I just dilute my wastewater a bit more?

That is how car manufacturers worked around the old tail pipe emission laws. They added air pumps plumbed to the exhaust manifold(s) to increase the exhaust mass diluting the stream enough to pass emissions tests. Problem solved!

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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post #38
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, it's fine as long as it's legal, then? > Love that way of thinking. I mean.. yeah, kinda'? We live in a society made up of laws, that's kind of the premise. So if we don't think something is fine, we can make it illegal (and we often do). It's a pretty good way of thinking methinks, what's your alternative?

Dunno, maybe strive to release no pollutants at all? Then we wouldn't need all the pesky big government overreach.

To exist is to pollute.

Re: Tesla's lithium refinery discharges 231,000 gallons of polluted wastewater a day

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post #4

Obviously, discharging "dark and murky" polluted water is bad. But some of the figures from the lab report don't seem that terrible: * Hexavalent chromium at 0.0104 milligrams per liter, just above the lab’s reporting limit of 0.01 mg/L. Hexavalent chromium is classified as a known human carcinogen by the US National Toxicology Program. It is the substance the Erin Brockovich case was built around. * Arsenic at 0.002…

> It is the substance the Erin Brockovich case was built around.

more about PG&E contamination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_groundwater_contaminat...

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