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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Google’s pro models are almost certainly bigger than Openai’s lol

Why would that be? I am curious why do you think that.

Because TPUs are more efficient, and its cheaper for them to field them in higher quantity since they own the chip.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

We need another "Deepseek moment" or else it will become impossible for the regular dude to use AI. It will become something that only big companies can afford.

You can use lots of open weight models today.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google’s pro models are almost certainly bigger than Openai’s lol

Why would that be? I am curious why do you think that.

E.g. because they are behind on research and so must compensate with size to achieve similar level of intelligence. At least this is what I heard.

For intelligence/size only OpenAI and Anthropic are the frontier. Google has more compute so it can compensate for that with size of the models...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts. Every provider allows sharing chats, and anyone can share a prompt that reliably produces hallucinations. More often than not, people are using images in responses that go awry. Which is fair, the models are sold as multi-modal, but image analyses is still at gpt-4.0 text-analyses levels. Also knowledge cutoff issues,…

I can reliably produce hallucinations with this genre of prompt: "write a script that does with ." Even the frontier models will hallucinate the perfect API endpoint that does exactly what I want, regardless of if it exists. The fix is easy enough though, a line in my global AGENTS.md instructing agents to search/ask for documentation before working on API integrations.

Yeah. Better to have more details in your prompt than fewer. For example, I use this:

```

Build a Nango sync that stores Figma projects.

Integration ID: figma

Connection ID for dry run: my-figma-connection

Frequency: every hour

Metadata: team_id

Records: Project with id, name, last_modified

API reference: https://www.figma.com/developers/api#projects-endpoints

```

Note: You do need a Nango account and the Nango Skill installed before it could work.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

Beats a human by like 10$

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Engineers at google have publically stated that the models are too big and are far from their potencial. Glad they're being proven right with every release. They continue to focus on smaller models while openai and anthropic are increasing compute requirements for their SOTA models.

I mean, yes and no.

Nobody really knows the answer to which one is more optimal

* Large model trained on a large amount of data across multiple domains, that doesn't need any extra content to answer questions.

* Smaller model that is smart enough to go fetch extra relevant content, and then operate on essentially "reformatting" the context into an answer.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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The Artificial Analysis benchmark results are pretty underwhelming. Roughly the same "intelligence" as MiMo-V2.5-Pro for over 3x the cost. We'll have to see how that translates to actual usage but it's not a great sign.

That really depends on whether they have similar parameter counts, doesn't it? Unless you know that, the comparison is just strange

Bad look to tell people they're not allowed to compare things just because we need to respect Google's privacy

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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The Artificial Analysis benchmark results are pretty underwhelming. Roughly the same "intelligence" as MiMo-V2.5-Pro for over 3x the cost. We'll have to see how that translates to actual usage but it's not a great sign.

That really depends on whether they have similar parameter counts, doesn't it? Unless you know that, the comparison is just strange

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