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Re: Google I/O

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Post by hijodelsol »

hadlock wrote: post #141
hijodelsol wrote: post #74

It's discouraging to see Google price Gemini 3.5 Flash at 3x the cost of Gemini 3 Flash. I would think that most people that deployed this model in production would have used it for low latency tasks, classification/categorization, customer support or basic RAG-/RAG-style chatbots. Performance on coding benchmarks is nice and all, but where is the "intelligence too cheap to measure"? This new cost point is quite proh…

I guess you didn't get the memo from last month: Loss leader pricing is over, you're now paying a less subsidized price, and will continue to until it's profitable

As explained in another comment, I think this is more about Google orienting Flash towards more complex use cases. If we got minor improvements vs 3 Flash with 1.5x the price so they can optimize their margin (which on such small models for conversational tasks is a completely different stories than the 3-25x subsidies that these agentic coding plans offer) I would have been happy. Or even no change at all. But knowing Google, I now must fear that they will deprecate 3 Flash without offering any realistic option for that user facing chatbot segment that does not require multi-tool use across 500k context.

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Post by port11 »

jdw64 wrote: post #113

They claim the AI itself built an OS and demoed Doom running on it. Personally, rather than Doom, I think I'll only truly appreciate the real value of this advancement when flawless real-time YouTube subtitle translation actually becomes a reality.

One can only dream of Gemini Spam-Detector 3.5, which will finally make YouTube useable again. I can’t believe the kind of crap that gets recommended in the Kids app.

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Post by shevy-java »

Google recently announced it will extend its AI slop-spam into google search. Now people will see AI-generated slop mixed with ads.

Google is trying to kill off the open web here. They tried before, e. g. AMP and what not.

I think it is now time for all of us to help retire Google. This planet can only take some Evil - and Google just exceeded planetary limitations.

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Post by lacewing »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #146
han1 wrote: post #127

Remember the good ol' days when we fully owned and controlled our devices? I want that back!

When was that? When phones used wires?

In the US, wired phones were often leased from the phone company! If you shop for vintage phones from the 1960s, they will often have a decal to that effect. Examples:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/71gAAeSw1URp8QPF/s-l1600.webp

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tPAAAeSw~RxqBiLR/s-l1600.webp

I think this started to change only in the 1980s and 1990s, thanks to cheaper electronics imported from overseas?

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Post by [deleted] »

r_lee wrote: post #159
52-6F-62 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you working for hire? I'd like you to join my team where we are automating parametrizing paradigms to foster growth in changing paradigms of parametrizing workflows.

yes I am. I prefer a modern 996 schedule to maximize efficiency. let me know how I can contact you and we can set up a meeting to discuss collaboration and elevate our synergies to grow revenue through AI powered velocity

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Post by topaz0 »

numlock86 wrote: post #108
r_lee wrote: post #61

can't wait to hear all about the new Agentic workflows you can build with AI and build with agentic agent swarms and build more workflows to do more with Enterprise AI with Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform and elevate efficiency with the power of AI and unlock value with AI agents. also can't wait to hear more about AI integrations across Google AI Workspace, like AI Gmail or AI docs (powered by Gemini Enterprise AI)…

While I get your point, this kind of gives me "Old man yelling at cloud" vibes. Yes, all the AI talk and bullshit bingo became quite annoying at this point, and I also can't wait for it to settle. But AI is here, and it's here to stay. Wether we like it or not. It's like what dotcom was for the internet back then. We'll get through this eventually - with a bubble bursting here and there - but making fun of it with ov…

The old man yelling at the cloud is often correct, just powerless.

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Post by gowld »

jdw64 wrote: post #113

They claim the AI itself built an OS and demoed Doom running on it. Personally, rather than Doom, I think I'll only truly appreciate the real value of this advancement when flawless real-time YouTube subtitle translation actually becomes a reality.

The first thing mentioned is copying something that exists. The second thing is not.

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Post by londons_explore »

f311a wrote: post #47
londons_explore wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3.5 flash is presumably cheaper to run than pro too... Perhaps the company is compute constrained like everyone else is?

Just a little bit, $9 vs $12 (3.1 Pro, the current PRO).

It's super hard to know if those prices are reflective of the true cost.

Remember that leaderboard position is very important, and many leaderboards are perf/$. So, to push the share price up and be top of leaderboards, the company might falsely quote a loss-leading price, and maybe set quotas so people can't cause too big losses.

Re: Google I/O

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Post by PokeyCat »

Ugh. Was really hoping that they were going to actually announce a release date for the display glasses this year at I/O, but it seems that they still don't have the tech ready for this. Audio only this year is a massive disappointment.
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