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The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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Last 6 months is humanity losing control of LLMs. - Memory market cornering which mitigated the adoption of local AI despite great open model being released. - Fast penetration of IP exfiltrating tools in companies world-wide. - Developers producing more code that they can read. - Autonomous agents killing Open Source by siphoning the attention economy - Autonomous agents destroyed online communities (including HN) -…

> Widespread vulnerabilities discovered This is a good thing

> Widespread supply chain attacks.

This is a bad thing.

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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> coding was never hard. Learning resources were abundant and free. Just a nitpick regarding “never”: Learning resources weren’t abundant and free 25 years ago, that’s a more recent development.

Maybe in some parts of the world (including mine). But we haven’t have a lot of computers either. But 25 years ago, there was a lot of textbooks and computers editors like O’Reilly already active. I had the C programming language book (not 25 years ago, but the book is older than that) and you could learn a lot with that one book and codeblocks. Same thing with “The Go Programming Language”, “Learning Perl”, and “Pro…

True, but books weren’t free. I spent quite some money buying those.

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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> The coding agents got really good It's since november 2025, the so called "inflection point", that I'm still wondering for who coding agents become "really good". All I observe they got better at tool call and answering questions about big codebases, especially if the question has a vague pattern to search, and they're superuseful for that! For generating production code even with a lot of steering and baby sitting…

@hollowturtle I'm surprised - do you really find that sota models aren't good enough to generate production code with steering and babysitting? My experience (Claude Code, mostly Opus 4.6) is that it's fantastic at this. At least in JS + TS + Elixir + Ruby. It does indeed need babysitting, my mental model is that it's an exoskeleton not a junior dev, but IME it's a friggin badass exoskeleton, easily 10x-ing my speed…

It really depends on the task, but, in my experience, small to medium and bigger codebases, the amount of steering to get quality code is not worth it.

I see patterns and solutions emerging from hand coding, I'm not the other way around, I can't start with a prompt, unless again I have the feeling that the task can be one-shot with minimumn effort and context.

Starting with a prompt, or in plan mode, it's not how I trained as an engineer, I cannot foresee what something should be/look like until I explore it myself with code I can relate to, that I'm connected with and that I fully understand, for example my muscle memory suggest me to use a specific data structure only after I see some code patterns emerging, hard to explain hopefully makes sense.

If I ask the agent to do that initial exploring, even with a tremendous amount of instructions, guidelines etc. it usually start with a path I wouldn't have started with. What I tried in such cases is to stop it, correct it and generate again, only to end up with more prompt words than lines of code. This is true for every visual task I'm working on (I program non web UIs). Let alone doing it via spec files, if it's something I don't care about yeah sure, maybe a little tool for entering/editing data, but alas it always default to slop web apps, and I get it I mean most of the training set is on web apps

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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> The coding agents got really good It's since november 2025, the so called "inflection point", that I'm still wondering for who coding agents become "really good". All I observe they got better at tool call and answering questions about big codebases, especially if the question has a vague pattern to search, and they're superuseful for that! For generating production code even with a lot of steering and baby sitting…

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> Half the projects I listed are system's programming related. No they're not and those who are, are in overwhelming control by the engineers that steer continuously the agents in the right direction. First of all this isn't something you can do for novel ideas, especially in gaming, second it is indeed very bad the code they produce otherwise it won't require that much effort from high end professionals to bend the…

What novel ideas are you thinking of? In my experience there are very few games with novel software engineering. New gameplay mechanics or story or art or design, sure, but they're generally built with very old and standardized patterns.

If what you say it's true, where are the great vibe coded games? Or great non vibe coded games, the killer apps that sold millions on steam?

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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We'll there's your problem. F1 mechanic pops the hood of a mass-market Toyota Corolla and doesn't understand why everyone says it's really good. A lot of us are out here building websites or phone apps. Not to say that these things can't also be taken very seriously from first-principles, but I think that's rare.

Probably not really. For gaming, I think probably just need to have a better way to explain visual and what the problem is (collision not done correctly, ways to feedback to LLM's experimentation loop how that should be checked and why etc). Models usually is broken if there is no feedback loop. Well, websites might be exception since they can one-shot pretty well. But there are plenty of things they can do well with…

Try it then, prove your point. Good luck :)

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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What's the problem? If I enjoy some show, material or text, if it brings me value or a brief moment of happiness, I could care less if it was made by an AI or a human. This racism against AI-generated stuff has to stop. If not, we'll have a butlerian jihad on our hands that will set back prosperity, development and science for decades, perhaps centuries. People mention the artists... ohh, boohoo... either do it on yo…

I think we need to start separating such concepts like entertainment from the ones of enjoyment , fascination , function , interest , satisfaction , beauty and the sublime a bit more. Art theory literally has books on these things, as they all fall under the topic of aesthetics. Do you really enjoy a frozen pizza from the oven at home in the same way as a freshly made pizza from an authentic pizza oven? I always care…

> Do you really enjoy a frozen pizza from the oven at home in the same way as a freshly made pizza from an authentic pizza oven?

Yes absolutely. I even measure them on the same scale and sometimes the frozen pizza wins.

I’ve literally got an authentic wood brining pizza oven at home and it can cook some great pizza, but that doesn’t mean its output is somehow in an untouchable category it’s just food. Further, with access to the real thing novelty goes away and it needs to sand on its own.

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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> The coding agents got really good It's since november 2025, the so called "inflection point", that I'm still wondering for who coding agents become "really good". All I observe they got better at tool call and answering questions about big codebases, especially if the question has a vague pattern to search, and they're superuseful for that! For generating production code even with a lot of steering and baby sitting…

I'm convinced that the polarization is that one's impression of AI has a direct 1:1 mapping with one's previous level of skill and sensitivity to quality. Most people are by definition average and they are impressed.

Is there anyone in the industry noted for their skill, quality, and taste, e.g. Jonathon Blow, who is impressed and thinks the AI is really good? I haven't seen any. In my personal circle, the best devs I know are either micromanaging or shunning AI; none of them think the agents are capable or really good. The mediocre devs I know are largely on board. This applies both online and off.

Couple this with the fact that no AI focused project has come out, not a single one, that meets a high quality bar with nontrivial complexity.

I am an AI quality sceptic. They can be useful if you don't care for quality, but I never don't care for quality. I live for quality.

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I have seen it too. The answer is easy - they don’t like AI. I've seen similar things with some people that don’t like women in tech or certain minorities - they suddenly critique at an extremely high level. I also haven’t looked at this particular case, but it wouldn’t surprise me to be the same thing here.

> I also haven’t looked at this particular case, but it wouldn’t surprise me to be the same thing here. Be surprised then, because me, who left the critique, probably exclusively programmed with agents for the last year or so, so unlikely I think the code is bad because I "don't like AI". I don't love it either, but wouldn't call myself a AI-hater by any measurements, would be weird to write articles like this if so:…

Again, I wasn't reacting specifically to you (as noted, I wouldn't be surprised if so, but I also wouldn't be surprised if not). I was making a more general statement.

Re: The last six months in LLMs in five minutes

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You cited mostly web tech, which proves my point ;) Is antirez uses extensively agents to contribute to redis doesn't mean it's a becoming industry trend. I'd say quite the contrary, it isn't in the gaming industry for example, where novel ideas matter. And btw Antirez and Linus for example, put a lot of effort into steering agent into doing the right thing for them which is totally different than "these tools become…

GenAI is very much being used in the gaming industry, maybe its just you.

Would also like some proof
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