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Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#101

Post by prof_hobart »

DanBC wrote: post #51
netcan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You're talking about morally wrong. I'm talking about legally, technically, wrong.

You might want to stick to the word "illegal". Wrong is far too overloaded as a word.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#102

Post by marshray »

bct wrote: post #85
antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

A boycott isn't made up out of individuals. Doing this is a waste of your effort unless it's part of a focussed campaign.

Where have you been? Many individuals like me have been actively avoiding RIAA and MPAA products as much as possible. http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/riaa-revenue-reaches-new-...

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#103

Post by billirvine »

gingerjoos wrote: post #50
ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

> there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense

Why would a creative person who's primary method of feeding the family are checks from publishers not want their publisher to diligently protect the revenue model?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#104

Post by csense »

If I was a billionaire looking for ways to burn money, I'd set up a legal defense fund for MAFIAA victims.

We wouldn't have go broke defending everyone they sue. All it takes is a few cases to establish their abusive practices and suddenly courts start looking at them as "vexatious litigants" who file lawsuits in bad faith; abuse court procedure by e.g. jurisdiction shopping; using the court's subpoena power to get names and addresses for the sole purpose of extorting settlements with no intention of actually going to court; improperly joining hundreds or thousands of unrelated cases to save on filing fees.

When they realize someone who has the money and willingness to sue them is looking at these cases very carefully, suddenly the police fall in line and start going "by the book" and following their own procedures: Only taking evidence that's actually needed, only keeping it as long as it's needed, and returning it in good condition. Again, all we have to do is have a few successful cases and we can prevent thousands from going through what's happening in this story.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#106

Post by icebraining »

DanBC wrote: post #51
netcan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You're talking about morally wrong. I'm talking about legally, technically, wrong.

Then, where is it written in the law that downloading is OK as long as you keep it for only the time required to make a decision on whether to buy it or not? And why would the opinion of "most people" matter to what it legally wrong?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#107

Post by pg »

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law.

We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at manipulating legislators, and the way to beat them is technology.

So here's a question for everyone: What new technology would harm the labels most?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#108

Post by __david__ »

billirvine wrote: post #103
gingerjoos wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

> there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense Why would a creative person who's primary method of feeding the family are checks from publishers not want their publisher to diligently protect the revenue model?

Because they understand that "protecting the revenue model" distinctly different than confiscating 9 year olds' laptops.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#109

Post by spindritf »

gingerjoos wrote: post #50
ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

> there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense

No, there won't be. The recording companies will keep doing what they do and the artist will occasionally tweet how awful it is but they can't do anything about it since it's the big bad corporation. The company will take the blame along with its cut.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

#110

Post by ubershmekel »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

http://bandcamp.com/

Edit: I'll explain. Cutting the middleman is the big idea though band camp isn't enough for that. The big labels have very strong marketing capabilities that individual acts can't compete with. Even YouTube, the land of indie, is dominated by the large labels. So maybe bandcamp needs a breakthrough marketing/distribution/discovery platform that can somehow be more meritocratic.

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