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Re: AI is too expensive

#11
It’s a similar bet as Uber. They also started out with numbers that make no sense - overpaying drivers and undercharging users

The math may look questionable but there are also senior people talking of automating all white color work in the next couple years. Even if that estimate is miles off on both time and % it’s still trillions. So crazy as the numbers seem it could still work out

Re: AI is too expensive

#12
More people need to read Ed, especially tech journalists. I feel like he's one of the rare few people that are actually speaking about the industry honestly.

Re: AI is too expensive

#13
If you're older than 30, you've seen this play out before… This is just how the VC game works. Cross-town Uber rides don't stay $5 forever.

The bright side is: this is a golden era of subsidized tokens. It will not always be like this, so now is the time to churn out your passion projects.

Re: AI is too expensive

#14
The counter argument (not mine): Software Engineers are willing to spend their own money on AI. The same people that wouldn't pay 10 dollars for code if there was a workaround that took hours.

Re: AI is too expensive

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese 1T+ models are being offered at a fraction of GPT/Claude cost, and the margin is healthy enough for dozens of providers to compete, so I find it highly likely that ClosedAI and Misanthropic sell tokens at massive markup. they just still bleed billions on their free tier and san francisco salaries.

Why we should assume that whoever offers these Chinese models makes sufficient profits and will not rise the prices eventually too?

Chinese models are state-funded and not concerned with taking profits.

Re: AI is too expensive

#16
Imagine you were looking at Google, a sustainable and profitable business, and you thought you saw a once in a lifetime opportunity to compete with them and take their position as a leading tech company. How much money would you need to spend to make a credible attempt?

Google has had decades to accumulate intellectual and physical capital. Catching up quickly means spending >500 billion. If you can actually dethrone Google (admittedly not an easy task) then it will have been worth it. If not, I suppose it's wasted investment.

Now what happens when three or four startups vie for this opportunity at once? Well that's how you get $2 trillion in captial investments per year.

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#17
post #14

The counter argument (not mine): Software Engineers are willing to spend their own money on AI. The same people that wouldn't pay 10 dollars for code if there was a workaround that took hours.

Interesting perspective

Re: AI is too expensive

#18
The cost of tokens used by AI in many fields is even greater than the cost of human services; people are experiencing FOMO, but once the wave passes, the market will stabilize.

Re: AI is too expensive

#19

If you're older than 30, you've seen this play out before… This is just how the VC game works. Cross-town Uber rides don't stay $5 forever. The bright side is: this is a golden era of subsidized tokens. It will not always be like this, so now is the time to churn out your passion projects.

I think the good news is that we’re not at peak cheapness for tokens yet, but companies like deepseek show that it is perfectly possible.

Re: AI is too expensive

#20
post #14

The counter argument (not mine): Software Engineers are willing to spend their own money on AI. The same people that wouldn't pay 10 dollars for code if there was a workaround that took hours.

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