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Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by surgical_fire »

LatencyKills wrote: post #105
frellus wrote: post #80

Sort of makes me sad, but . . . everyone has a price.

I worked for MS and Apple for 20 years and heard that opinion constantly; i.e., "People only work there for the money." I have no idea if Andrej "sold out" but perhaps he realizes that if he wants to work on the cutting edge alongside talented people, with a seemingly endless budget, Anthropic is a good choice. I chose my employers for the same reason; the compensation was secondary.

MS and Apple. Infinite resources, plenty of smart people that consider compensation to be secondary (I remain skeptical, but choose to entertain the idea nonetheless), and the software output is incredibly, unbelievably, comically bad.

There's some poetry there that I am unable to capture with words.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by scottyah »

bicepjai wrote: post #67

Great communicator. It’s sad that he had joined a closed llm org. I would have expected him to join forces with someone else releasing open-source models rivaling chinese model landscape. Capital always accumulates to the capital holder in capitalism :)

Hopefully he gets them to opensource some models, in the same way that Google does.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by nozzlegear »

canada_dry wrote: post #60
prodigycorp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i wouldn't be surprised if he just becomes a glorified marketer for anthro. im also going to guess that whatever research he does would be free roam research that primarily serves to market the fact that claude was able to help perform the research. the visible stuff he's been working on has been mostly agent soft skills. off the top of my head is autoresearch and his the wiki knowledge stuff. nothing particularly gr…

> just becomes a glorified marketer That implies Karpathy is either dumb or desperate and he is neither of those by a long shot.

I don't know anything about this person, but want to point out that renown and validation is something that most (all?) humans crave. That doesn't make them dumb or desperate, it makes them normal.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by 0123456789ABCDE »

prodigycorp wrote: post #35
Traster wrote: post #27

Karpathy is probably one of the biggest names in AI, I do wonder where he fits now. He's sort of bounced around Tesla back to OpenAI back to independent. He sort of left OpenAI before it really hit the inflection point, and he was at Tesla for a long time and they didn't really deliver what they wanted on the AI side. Now he's bounced around a few places. I understand that the leaders in this market play this silly g…

i wouldn't be surprised if he just becomes a glorified marketer for anthro. im also going to guess that whatever research he does would be free roam research that primarily serves to market the fact that claude was able to help perform the research. the visible stuff he's been working on has been mostly agent soft skills. off the top of my head is autoresearch and his the wiki knowledge stuff. nothing particularly gr…

> i know he's reading this now

meanwhile in the real world:

  claude --permission-mode=auto --model=opus -p '/onboard --user=karpathy'

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

enraged_camel wrote: post #3

Pretty big talent win for Anthropic. Karpathy is one of those people who was working on AI before it became "a thing," and he's definitely both a thought leader and influential practitioner today.

Not exactly .. he was at the forefront of computer vision (CNNs, image captioning) for a while during the ImageNet era, then joined OpenAI in 2015 but left for Tesla in 2017 before they released GPT-1. During Karpathy's time at OpenAI they were still working on games. He left Tesla in 2022, briefly rejoining OpenAI, but this was after OpenAI had already released ChatGPT (GPT-3.5), so he missed the first hand experience of the whole AI=LLM explosion.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by espadrine »

Traster wrote: post #27

Karpathy is probably one of the biggest names in AI, I do wonder where he fits now. He's sort of bounced around Tesla back to OpenAI back to independent. He sort of left OpenAI before it really hit the inflection point, and he was at Tesla for a long time and they didn't really deliver what they wanted on the AI side. Now he's bounced around a few places. I understand that the leaders in this market play this silly g…

His goal could simply be to learn SOTA architectures.

When rumors started that GPT-4 design would be kept secret, he likely wanted to know what architecture it would be. Perhaps he left Tesla, waited out the non-compete clause, and joined OpenAI to learn its details.

When Mythos dropped, there were hints that it had a new architecture. He might similarly want to know how it works.

Either way, there is enough cross-lab hiring that those secrets eventually get known, but only by the labs.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by Veserv »

Barbing wrote: post #97
Veserv wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you would think that all those people he killed as the person in charge of deploying knowingly dangerously defective self-driving software for profit would have had a impact. But executives seem to just skate on killing customers to line their own pockets these days. Just "following orders" I guess.

He deployed, not just developed?

Yes, he was [1] director of AI and Autopilot Vision at Tesla, directly poached and reporting to Elon Musk on the most important headline feature of Tesla directly managed by Elon Musk.

He had both the technical and executive authority to determine if the product was fit for customer usage. He had direct executive responsibility for the product on the road between 2017-2022.

If he, the lead architect and executive responsible felt the product was dangerous and then he was overridden, he can not get away with claiming he was “just following orders”, he had a moral duty to not sign-off or quit otherwise he is clearly complicit in deploying a dangerous product for his own self-enrichment.

When people talk about engineering ethics, this is literally a completely uncontroversial textbook example. The only way you accept this is if you do not want ethics in engineering.

Furthermore, he was extremely hireable with numerous job opportunitys available to him. He would not be destitute or even particularly worse off if he did quit for ethical reasons. Any self-preservation defense is also invalid.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/tesla-hires-deep-learning-...

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by ModernMech »

kmaitreys wrote: post #77
canada_dry wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just becomes a glorified marketer That implies Karpathy is either dumb or desperate and he is neither of those by a long shot.

> https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519... Last thing I saw Karpathy talk about was this, which I find hard to believe that it came from a smart person.

I love how a ton of the replies after it are "I built exactly this with an LLM", even using his name in the repo.

Re: I’ve joined Anthropic

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Post by redanddead »

sigmar wrote: post #90
redanddead wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this as a bad sign for Anthropic. Relying yet again on more hype instead of improving products. OpenAI’s hiring recently has been much stronger, whether through luck or structure. The “no-name” guys have actual taste. I love that. I don’t care that they’re no-names. I don’t know Karpathy personally, I won’t speak bad about a man I don’t know. I hope he makes CC better. I just read this as hype. My point is tha…

>OpenAI’s hiring recently has been much stronger, the guys have actual taste. Can you cite specifics? "I won't speak bad about someone, but also won't speak good about others" resulted in a comment that seems to contribute nothing

I judge them from a meritocratic lens.

I’m hoping Karpathy will make Claude Code better, in the meantime I’m super happy seeing a small product manager like Tibo fucking crushing it on Codex

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