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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by shusso » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:11 PM UTC

ZoFreX wrote: post #53

DanBC wrote: post #11

The age of criminal responsibility in Finland is 15. So I'm at a loss at what is going to happen to this 9 year old girl. Certainly downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But there are much better ways of dealing with this than sending in the police. And justice needs to be public. (With a few rare exceptions). Forcing people to sign NDAs is creepy and weird. I'd be interested to know what would have happe…

I would guess that they seized all of the computers in the house. Where I live (the UK), that seems to be SOP for crimes involving computers - they take your computers, gaming consoles, ipods... Oh, and you don't get them back.

I remember that there is either a law or a royal-cort ruling in Finland that the confiscated HW needs to be returned in a timely manner back to the owner. So let's hope the little girl gets the winnie the pooh laptop back :)

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by icebraining » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:13 PM UTC

clarky07 wrote: post #57

SquareWheel wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know everybody loves to offer anecdotes when it comes to piracy, but I would never purchase music if I hadn't first downloaded it. One example, I heard of a band called Imaginary Cities from somebody online. Gave 'em a download, absolutely loved them. Sent $10 to the band's Paypal to cover the pirated album. Six months later, I still really love this band. I go to their website and buy the album digitally. My think…

So you heard it online, and now you are sending us to a YouTube link with their music, but you had to pirate it to decide if you liked it?

Unless the rights holder him/herself uploaded the video, listening to it on YouTube is no less "piracy" than downloading it.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by m_for_monkey » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:13 PM UTC

antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

No, artists need to see an alternative way of distribution to realize, how can they make it big without the "help" of leeches.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by shusso » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:19 PM UTC

I've thought that in Finland the reason to get a search warrant needs that the minimum punishment for the crime is 6mo in jail. When did the punishment for copyright infringement went from fines to jailtime :O Or am I missing here something..

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:32 PM UTC

gingerjoos wrote: post #50

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

> If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense.

Unfortunately this is the last thing on artists' minds when they're about to sign a deal with a record label, and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:36 PM UTC

ZoFreX wrote: post #53

DanBC wrote: post #11

The age of criminal responsibility in Finland is 15. So I'm at a loss at what is going to happen to this 9 year old girl. Certainly downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But there are much better ways of dealing with this than sending in the police. And justice needs to be public. (With a few rare exceptions). Forcing people to sign NDAs is creepy and weird. I'd be interested to know what would have happe…

I would guess that they seized all of the computers in the house. Where I live (the UK), that seems to be SOP for crimes involving computers - they take your computers, gaming consoles, ipods... Oh, and you don't get them back.

Once investigations are complete you should have your property returned.

As absurd as it sounds, it does make sense to seize all property capable of storing data, and that includes games consoles, iPods, etc.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by nanook » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:37 PM UTC

antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

How do you tell what music is controlled by the RIAA?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by AlexandrB » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:39 PM UTC

antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

Figuring out which labels are and are not RIAA affiliated has become more difficult in recent years. My former go-to place for this information, riaa radar, no longer exists, and the RIAA members page (http://riaa.com/aboutus.php?content_selector=aboutus_members) is of questionable accuracy.

For example, until recently Matador records was listed as a member. I emailed Matador and they basically told me that RIAA keeps re-listing them without permission. I don't follow the music industry closely enough to know which other labels are mis-listed as RIAA members, but I'm certain the number is non-zero.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:40 PM UTC

spaminator wrote: post #49

kijin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this happened because the girl downloaded music. She got into trouble because she used BitTorrent which, by default, makes you upload everything you download. The MAFIAA goes after uploaders, not downloaders. If the girl had used something like MegaUpload to download all her music, all her troubles would never have happened. Therefore, I don't think it would change anything (from a legal point of view,…

They go after downloaders do <10 seconds of Googleing to see.

Depends on the country. In the UK I can't think of any cases of downloaders being pursued by the BPI (British equivalent of the RIAA). They have deliberately erred on the side of 'educating' consumers about legal alternatives to piracy rather than dragging them through the courts.

Heck, the authorities took down Oink's Pink Palace, arrested the owner, then ended up dropping all charges against him and not pursuing any action against the site's users.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by SquareWheel » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 3:17 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #62

clarky07 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you heard it online, and now you are sending us to a YouTube link with their music, but you had to pirate it to decide if you liked it?

Unless the rights holder him/herself uploaded the video, listening to it on YouTube is no less "piracy" than downloading it.

The band has uploaded a version to Youtube, but it's a "music video" version with a much slower intro, so I opted for the album version. Perhaps that was a mistake.