Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

Post by DanBC » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 1:10 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #26

DanBC wrote: post #20

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Certainly. Perhaps I needed a bit more clarification: "Downloading music that should be paid for, and not paying for it, is wrong if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not is wrong. Most people would make an exception for format shifting. EG you own a CD and download a pirate MP3. In theory this needs to be paid for (and is included in law in some areas) but in practice it's n…

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

Post by ZoFreX » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 1:24 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #11

The age of criminal responsibility in Finland is 15. So I'm at a loss at what is going to happen to this 9 year old girl. Certainly downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But there are much better ways of dealing with this than sending in the police. And justice needs to be public. (With a few rare exceptions). Forcing people to sign NDAs is creepy and weird. I'd be interested to know what would have happe…

Post by jQueryIsAwesome » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 1:34 PM UTC

ShaneOG wrote: post #28

robryan wrote: post #22

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You always have the right to refuse though and have the courts sort it out, should they choose to pursue a case.

The idea being that for "normal" people, doing anything through the civil justice system is far too expensive and time consuming than just paying out up front. So the choice is simply: Pay X up front and promise not to tell anyone, then be left alone OR Don't pay, attempt to fight it in court (using lawyers/solicitors/barristers) and absorbing the cost of this upfront yourself, regardless of the outcome.

Post by clarky07 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 1:50 PM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #44

icebraining wrote: post #37

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That depends on whether the music exists in MP3 format, though. Until yesterday, there was no AC/DC on online music stores like iTunes.

I know everybody loves to offer anecdotes when it comes to piracy, but I would never purchase music if I hadn't first downloaded it. One example, I heard of a band called Imaginary Cities from somebody online. Gave 'em a download, absolutely loved them. Sent $10 to the band's Paypal to cover the pirated album. Six months later, I still really love this band. I go to their website and buy the album digitally. My think…

Post by SquareWheel » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 2:02 PM UTC

clarky07 wrote: post #57

SquareWheel wrote: post #44

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I know everybody loves to offer anecdotes when it comes to piracy, but I would never purchase music if I hadn't first downloaded it. One example, I heard of a band called Imaginary Cities from somebody online. Gave 'em a download, absolutely loved them. Sent $10 to the band's Paypal to cover the pirated album. Six months later, I still really love this band. I go to their website and buy the album digitally. My think…

So you heard it online, and now you are sending us to a YouTube link with their music, but you had to pirate it to decide if you liked it?