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Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Forget the embassy. This man had an Interpol Red Notice issued because he is wanted for questioning about why he did not wear a condom with someone he had been sleeping with regularly. Does that sound like standard operating procedure to you? And what's this "If Assange had gone to Sweden" nonsense. He was in Sweden, in fact he prolonged his stay for a month and a half longer trying to talk to police. They did not ev…

The part I don't understand about this view is why would Sweden be more likely to extradite him to the US than the UK would? If it is a conspiracy, then I would say that the point is to discredit him and to tie him up dealing with these charges, rather than talking to the media about WikiLeaks.

> The part I don't understand about this view is why would Sweden be more likely to extradite him to the US than the UK would?

Sweden has cooperated with handing political asylum seekers over to the CIA, knowing they would be sent back to Egypt to be tortured, in blatant violation of Swedish law and international obligations. Wikileaks published documents showing that years after CIA rendition flights had supposedly stopped, the US ambassador had been officially summoned to receive a complaint after Swedish military intelligence had uncovered that they were still happening, with the knowledge of airport staff.

Meanwhile, in the UK, there are extradition cases that have gone on for a decade with no resolution, as UK courts take this very seriously, and a substantial portion of extradition requests from the US are refused.

To add on to that, consider the behaviour of the Swedish police and prosecutors. Maybe they are just inept. Maybe there are other motives for how they've acted. But if you're someone like Assange, who has seen several US politicians calling for him to be executed, coupled with past illegal handovers from Sweden to the CIA, it wouldn't be that strange to get a bit paranoid about things such as why the case was reopened after it had been closed, and why the prosecutors categorically refuse to interview him abroad, when they've done that for substantially more serious crimes.

Personally I think that the most likely explanation is not US involvement, but "just" political point-scoring by the prosecutor and appointed lawyer for the alleged victims, both of whom have a history of trying to get support for making Swedish laws regarding rape substantially stricter.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

To quote Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Fighting extradition was one thing, but asylum from Ecuador has me fairly convinced there is more to the change than I originally thought.

Yes, I think its something like "do not want to rot in American Gulag, do want to continue exposing crimes of the Imperial Criminal Gang.."

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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post #37

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Forget the embassy. This man had an Interpol Red Notice issued because he is wanted for questioning about why he did not wear a condom with someone he had been sleeping with regularly. Does that sound like standard operating procedure to you? And what's this "If Assange had gone to Sweden" nonsense. He was in Sweden, in fact he prolonged his stay for a month and a half longer trying to talk to police. They did not ev…

The part I don't understand about this view is why would Sweden be more likely to extradite him to the US than the UK would? If it is a conspiracy, then I would say that the point is to discredit him and to tie him up dealing with these charges, rather than talking to the media about WikiLeaks.

Assange is a CIA high value target. He qualifies 100%.

Swedens defenses against CIA/NSA operatives, actively operating in their country, are likely to be more penetrable than those of the UK, or at least more malleable to the CIA's needs.

Myself, I think its less likely that the CIA can do a body-switch when Assange is in the embassy, than on the plane to Sweden .. but thats just pure fantasy of course. The CIA would never do a body-switch to take out a political target ..

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Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

There are a lot of great (personally) people doing great work, even in IT/security/digital liberty. It's just that the more obstreperous ones stick out in your mind.

Linus Torvalds is pretty universally regarded as a nice person, and very important to open source. Same with a lot of the earlier Bell Labs UNIX people, and computer scientists like Knuth, Ritchie, etc.

Within the startup world, it's even easier -- most of the well respected early angel investors, founders, etc. are decent people.

Every EFF employee that I've spent time with has been great, and a lot of them (Seth Schoen; Wendy Seltzer come to mind) are really important. Same with Prof Zittrain, Lessig, etc.

Even in computer security -- Jon Callas, Bruce Schneier, Ian Goldberg, Hugh Daniels, John Gilmore, Ben and Adam Laurie, Nicko and Alex van Someren, etc.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

As soon as you find one they will make rape accusations against him, or just anything that is as evil in your eyes.

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This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy. If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media pers…

Are you implying that the police presence was demanded by the media so that they could have a better story, because there was "controversy?" I'm not sure that's a good justification for the use of public resources.

I'm stating that with such a large amount of media and public present at the embassy police presence was required, due to the large crowds.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

Even apart from the rape allegations, I have lost all respect for him because of this "hiding in the embassy" thing. He can't go to Sweden because he "might" be extradited to the US? Even if he is extradited, he still has access to the US judicial system and as an Australian citizen can count on some basic diplomatic support, furthermore the attention of the international media...

There are thousands of political activists in third world countries, who take much greater risk of bodily harm for themselves and their families every single day, without the perks like having a platform to portray themselves as a "civil rights hero" in the world media, or receiving donations for "legal defense and bail money", or being able to sleep with several groupies on a short Sweden trip.

Grandstanding speeches in the media combined with cowardly behavior is not something I can admire...

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/09/...

There are so many myths arround Assange, we might never really know whats going on. Afterall sexual molestation claims could be true, could be black helicoptor crew or even just a piss of lady.

What I would say, and what angers me about him is how any message about freedom of information has been utterly lost. He has shacked up with someone who directly opposes his (former?) cause, all I see now is a self publishing type hiding in the shadows.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

#49
A Texas ranger was chasing a Mexican bandito around the turn of the last century. The bandito had robbed a bank in Texas and was hiding in a bar in a border town when the ranger found him. The ranger only spoke English and the bandito only Spanish so he found a local translator. The conversation went like this :

Ranger : Ask him where he hid the money.

Translator (in Spanish) : He wants to know where you hid the money.

Bandito : Tell him to go [expletive deleted] himself.

Translator (in English) : He said he's not going to tell you.

The ranger stands, draws his revolver, points it squarely at the bandito's head, and says "ask him again."

Translator (in Spanish) : He still wants to know where you hid the money...

Bandito : Okay! Okay! I hid it in the dried up town well, just tell him not to kill me!

Translator (in English) : He said that he is prepared to die.

Moral of the story, everyone has an agenda.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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post #35

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Lately?

There's been a bumper crop of stupid comments on HN this year, but yours should win the county fair.

Is there a particular era you are thinking of that was that much better than now in this respect?
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