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Enough with the AI FOMO, go slow-mo, says Domo CDO

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Re: Enough with the AI FOMO, go slow-mo, says Domo CDO

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>>“… wonders why people aren't more annoyed with AI companies “ Outside a small bubble within Silicon Valley and the finance ecosystem funding it, I’d say most folks are increasingly fed up with AI. It’s a very noticeable shift these last 6 months. The mood went from excited, to just annoyed at all the slop and folks using AI as a half-baked easy button vs doing real deep value-add thought. Business is also noticing…

Agreed. This place is legit delululand. I speak to people who work at the upper echelons across various industries regularly and whether you want to believe it or not idc - the management are desperately trying to push AI but it just doesn’t add much value to what they do. At best it’s just a really good search engine across internal data. Many of these places already had things called macros in place so there’s bare…

We have a skewed-to-the-positive view about AI around here because we are the industry where it has turned out to work to a significant degree. We can argue about whether it lived up to the promises and the practical implications of using it and how much you can trust it, etc., but it's actually a debate in our space because there is enough value that it is worth debating. I think in a lot of other spaces it isn't working nearly as well. From my blog https://jerf.org/iri/post/2026/programming_is_engineering/ :

"It’s worth taking a moment to really watch how [AIs] work, as they are working on some relatively lengthy task for you. It reminds me of bumper bowling [1]; link to a short video showing what it is. The AIs bang along all our bumpers; failing compiles, failing tests, failing integrations, error messages, all the bumpers we’ve built into our engineering process, and in the end they get a good result. But that good result is as much a result of all the solid engineering processes we have installed as anything else, because the AI without those protections rolls into the gutter relatively quickly. In those fields where the bumpers can’t be built as easily or in as great a quantity as we can have them, that’s what happens with the AIs.

"... it’s not that “programmers are awesome”, it’s that our domain is amenable to having all these bumpers in the first place."

I can think of bumpers for other domains, but not in the quantity we have in our space. Plus there's things like accounting, where "accounting" already is the bumper, having an AI banging into the accounting bumpers is much more concerning than a syntax error on compile is for us. Coding AIs would be nearly useless if the bumpers weren't there, and I think that's where a lot of other domains end up with when it comes to AI.

If you want to see what I mean, watch a longer coding process in your AI, notice the first place it bangs into one of the bumpers I'm talking about, and then imagine how valuable the AI would be if instead it didn't realize that it banged into a bumper, continued on obliviously, and then went off into ever-more-fantastic flights of fancy with no connection to reality. Such an AI would be too hazardous to use. I think that's the experience of almost every other field right now.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yKOBBwUw8yg

Re: Enough with the AI FOMO, go slow-mo, says Domo CDO

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"Why aren't people more resentful that these companies have pushed this technology upon them and now everyone is feeling a tremendous amount of anxiety," - Chris Willis, chief design officer and futurist for data platform biz Domo > Governed Data for AI Agents > Built with trusted AI models in mind > Enterprise AI for your business data > Connect your business data. Build AI-powered dashboards, agents, and automation…

i have had domo pushed on me in a company and i did everything in my power to get us to cancel that subscription and we did. it was such a waste of money. If I was able to rebuild our entire reporting workflow in a month, imagine how fast it is to now do that with LLMs? I don't believe LLMs make SAAS useless, but there are a subset of SAAS companies that AI truly does obviate. Among them are companies like DOMO, whos…

Having used Domo in anger it is truly a terrible product with unclear edge cases and weird problems, it definitely feels its age at this point and for what it does using superset or some other oss tech would at least fail in ways you can debug.

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> The result is a lot of proof-of-concept projects that lack what's required to make them durable, trustworthy, and deployable at scale. Starting with business needs first is essential. A bunch of frivolous projects that fail sounds to me like a pretty good way to learn how far a new technology can be trusted. If you're considering putting AI into something load bearing you either need a engineer who has not been par…

The management is the team that wants it to go, so they do not enable anyone to say no.

I have been in meetings where the top item is ensuring security of XYZ llm component, and after we've shown its inherently not something secureable from what the product requirements are then those product requirements are discarded.

For many of these companies the entire thing is a smoke and mirrors game to just get more money, they have little to no commitment to ... anything really.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's just hard to know this for the people working on it. AI radically changed my life. I'm doing at least 10 times more, more ambitious, higher quality work. I've been listening to people around me talking about alignment and the singularity for almost a decade. It's strange to imagine that people live in a world where this isn't and hasn't been happening for a while now. "Over-hyped" is not the word I would…

Cocaine radically changed my life. I'm doing at least 10 times more, more ambitious, higher quality work.

It's actually not a bad comparison. You might feel like you're getting 10x more done with AI but it's going to be 10x more buggy and/or 10x missing the edge cases, in the way AI usually misses the mark. I don't do coke, but I know plenty of people who do, and I would not trust them with anything important.

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>>“… wonders why people aren't more annoyed with AI companies “ Outside a small bubble within Silicon Valley and the finance ecosystem funding it, I’d say most folks are increasingly fed up with AI. It’s a very noticeable shift these last 6 months. The mood went from excited, to just annoyed at all the slop and folks using AI as a half-baked easy button vs doing real deep value-add thought. Business is also noticing…

I think it's just hard to know this for the people working on it. AI radically changed my life. I'm doing at least 10 times more, more ambitious, higher quality work. I've been listening to people around me talking about alignment and the singularity for almost a decade. It's strange to imagine that people live in a world where this isn't and hasn't been happening for a while now. "Over-hyped" is not the word I would…

> if I take my daily experience as an example, nor when I consider even lower-bound projections.

did you generate 10x more income in the time AI changed your life? What is the projection you are doing?

Re: Enough with the AI FOMO, go slow-mo, says Domo CDO

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> The result is a lot of proof-of-concept projects that lack what's required to make them durable, trustworthy, and deployable at scale. Starting with business needs first is essential. A bunch of frivolous projects that fail sounds to me like a pretty good way to learn how far a new technology can be trusted. If you're considering putting AI into something load bearing you either need a engineer who has not been par…

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