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The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by dannyphantom »

dpark wrote: post #13
hirvi74 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left for Apples Passwords.app and never looked back. Of course, that has its own limitations if you are not bought into Apple's ecosystem.

Apple apparently has an iCloud app for Windows that syncs passwords and provides extensions for major browsers. I had no idea.

The Windows app for iCloud Passwords works fairly well, no real complaints about it to share. It can sometimes be a bit clunky and slow, though that's likely related to my environment rather than the app itself.

Would love it a ton more if it could offer an experience similar to BitWarden where you can view notes linked to logins or autofill credit card details with a single click from the browser extension. But overall it's really helpful.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by Havoc »

After the LastPass fiasco I switched to selfhosting a password manager (bw).

Rapidly starting to think even a vibecoded solution may be a better plan relying on commercial options. High risk of don’t roll your own crypto mistakes but realistically that’s not the threat model here anymore for the random individual. It’s online breaches or perhaps a wrench attack not highly skilled crypto adversary. Plus there are probably ready made crypto modules so wouldn’t be a true handroll

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by corncob0067 »

basch wrote: post #22
mschuster91 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the rug-pull. You can't go and proudly state "free forever", and then silently back down on that commitment. That is a textbook example for the enshittification cycle... lure users in with grand promises, sell out once you got enough of a following. (Well, technically, you can , but then don't complain about getting called out)

as long as the people who signed up when it said it are granfathered, is it ok then?

Maybe okay on a personal level, but the PE maw eating another great option is just depressing in a more general sense.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by darkwater »

dpark wrote: post #28
craigmart wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they haven't backed down, you find the "Always free" claim in the very same webpage OP linked https://bitwarden.com/products/personal/#whats-the-differenc...

You must be getting a different version of that page than me. The free tier is there but there’s no “always free” verbiage. There is “start free” verbiage. Edit: “always free” was hidden under a collapsed section

It's not super big but it is there in the comparison list.

Pricing: Always free

Ctrl+f for "Always"

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

#35

Post by wirybeige »

RockstarSprain wrote: post #3
megamike wrote: post #2

what are some bitwarden alternatives?

Proton Pass. Not ideal but actively developing and IMO its UX is way better than what I had with Bitwarden.

Personal anecdote --- Proton Pass very quickly went from worse than Bitwarden to better with more reliable auto-fill.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

#37

Post by dpark »

darkwater wrote: post #34
dpark wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be getting a different version of that page than me. The free tier is there but there’s no “always free” verbiage. There is “start free” verbiage. Edit: “always free” was hidden under a collapsed section

It's not super big but it is there in the comparison list. Pricing: Always free Ctrl+f for "Always"

I searched for the word “always”. It was not (and is not; I just checked again) there on the version of the page I was served.

Edit: Actually, it is there, hidden from search under the collapsed pricing section.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by davoneus »

darkwater wrote: post #34
dpark wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be getting a different version of that page than me. The free tier is there but there’s no “always free” verbiage. There is “start free” verbiage. Edit: “always free” was hidden under a collapsed section

It's not super big but it is there in the comparison list. Pricing: Always free Ctrl+f for "Always"

LOL.. you are correct. Funny thing though... the 'Always Free' text is linked to a "/start-free/" action\page. One could argue that they are hedging their bets.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

#39

Post by schnitzelstoat »

Havoc wrote: post #32

After the LastPass fiasco I switched to selfhosting a password manager (bw). Rapidly starting to think even a vibecoded solution may be a better plan relying on commercial options. High risk of don’t roll your own crypto mistakes but realistically that’s not the threat model here anymore for the random individual. It’s online breaches or perhaps a wrench attack not highly skilled crypto adversary. Plus there are prob…

The LLMs also help a script kiddie become a highly skilled crypto adversary though.

Especially if the concerns around Mythos are well founded.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by accrual »

notsylver wrote: post #24
gerty wrote: post #15

Not disputing the overall feeling about the changes at Bitwarden but "Always free" phrase is still actually there if you're creating a personal Free account.

I believe they added it back after people noticed, archive.org has versions where its gone

Yeah, to me this isn't about whether or not it's "always free". It's about the rug pull.

"They put some of the rug back!" isn't enough to restore goodwill in my case.

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