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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

IDK, but I have three or four vibe-coded 0.1%-Photoshops already - small utility apps, all self-contained, client-side, static, zero build-step browser tools, each of them solving a very particular problem for me. Things like, drop an image, get a printable label sheet that force-overrides all margin and scaling settings (recent upgrade to a tool I had that did that with plaintext address data), or metadata-preservin…

Yes, this is the point.

LLMs are approaching the affordances that OpenSource claimed to offer but never did.

Non-coders are discovering the basics of - for example - Python scripting and running with it.

If this gets easy enough - questionable so far, but maybe one day - all code will be "Do this thing to this photo/document/music project."

The big toolbox products will become redundant.

Everyone is distacted by content generation, but if LLMs get good enough it will be possible to go back a step and give everyone a toolbox factory they can use to imagine and build whatever they want, with full control, instead of the current stab-around-until-you-find-something generative approach.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by MattRix »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #143
darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

It's a strangely/poorly written article. I've read it a couple of times and am still not 100% clear what the author is trying to say. As best I can tell, the author is saying that it's unrealistic to expect that a vibecoded photoshop would YET exist since just because you can use AI to help doesn't make the task much easier or quicker. If this is the right take, then I guess he's really talking about AI-assisted deve…

Yeah it has a confusing clickbait title that gives the wrong impression of what the article is about. His point is that the bottleneck to making a complex app like photoshop is architectural rather than just writing basic code… and he argues the LLMs don’t magically make the architectural part easier.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by alwillis »

anticorporate wrote: post #91

That's a bit like asking "Where are the vibecoded AWSs?" or "Where are the vibe coded Office 365s?" Can I vibe code an image editor? Sure! I have, actually, just more as a curiosity. I got as far as a simple Canva replacement, and if that's what you need, maybe the question isn't can you vibe code Photoshop but rather can you vibe code Canva. Photoshop is part of a gigantic ecosystem of tools, formats, and plugins th…

If I wanted to vibe code something like Photoshop, I would start with the source code for version 1.0 [1].

It’s written mostly in very readable Pascal with some 68000 assembly.

For those not familiar (or not old as me), Pascal was popular in 80s. The syntax is clean and is strongly typed, which I understand LLMs like.

LLMs are good at converting programming languages; it probably wouldn’t be that difficult to convert it to Swift, Rust, etc.

[1]: https://computerhistory.org/blog/adobe-photoshop-source-code...

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by desdenova »

Wtf did I just read?

The fact you started the text with is true: there aren't vibecoded complex apps, because vibecoding doesn't work.

The rest of the text is an incoherent rambling that looks like two people arguing and doesn't make any sense.

You should probably stop using gen AI and seek therapy.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by satisfice »

The author of this post seems to have left something out. He never clearly states his thesis.

From what I can piece together he seems to think that agentic coded projects are being routinely dismissed as mere slop, and he feels that is wrong. But I’m not sure how that connects with the argument that if vibe coding were so great why haven’t we seen a duplicate of photoshop?

I can argue that vibe coding is bad even if someone produces something with it that seems good. Not saying I necessarily want to, but I could. Just because you have “90 test cases” that pass, or that you personally are happy with your own product is not proof of the success of vibe coding. (It is evidence, perhaps, but not proof… The evidence can be debated.)

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by satisfice »

falcor84 wrote: post #126
ponector wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are superb at testing easy things. Small website, simple lib, etc. Same way as LLMs cannot code anything complex, they cannot test complex scenarios.

Where is the "cannot" coming from? The only underlying rule that I see is: the more complex a task is, the lower the probability of success. That's it. And it's the same exact rule that applies to humans. The difference though is that we're seeing an exponential growth in AI capabilities, which are then rapidly disseminated on a scale of months, and we don't see such capability increases in humans. As I see it, anyon…

AI cannot take responsibility. It will not indemnify you. My decade is going just fine.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by Foobar8568 »

lionkor wrote: post #97
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

IDK, but I have three or four vibe-coded 0.1%-Photoshops already - small utility apps, all self-contained, client-side, static, zero build-step browser tools, each of them solving a very particular problem for me. Things like, drop an image, get a printable label sheet that force-overrides all margin and scaling settings (recent upgrade to a tool I had that did that with plaintext address data), or metadata-preservin…

And most importantly, you don't care at all if the tool you vibe-coded is any good. If you write at tool that converts an image to black & white, you are the kind of person who doesn't know or care what KIND of black&white it is. The fact that there are many algorithms to choose from would never cross your mind. The same happens with whatever tool you vibe-code. You get the average of the worst quality open source ve…

Not really when I get up to 2-10 times the throughput of the state of art open-source library on their own benchmarks.

And I don't have 10k -100k to blow on Nvidia cards nor to buy a few 100gb of RAM.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by le-mark »

decimalenough wrote: post #62
altmanaltman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand Photoshop and its business if you think people are replacing it with ChatGPT or Gemini... the point of the article is that the whole "SaaS is dead and AI killed it" media narrative is bs propelled by the ai hype cycle.

That's only half the author's point. The other half is that the "gate is where it always was" (= the part that's not just grinding out code to spec), and the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless.

> and the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless.

A lot of ai hype IS premised on ai being able to vibecode photoshop.

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