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Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by deepsummer »

I think it is too early to answer that question. If I really wanted to, I could 'vibe code' Photoshop. But my estimate is that it would take me 2 years, as a solo dev. And by 'vibe code' I mean not write a single line by hand - I would still define and specify an outline for important data structures and algorithms. And then work through the system feature by feature, with many prompts needed for each feature, until it is perfect. It is much faster than coding by hand, but still a lot of work.

Currently, I am working on a smaller-than-Photoshop solo side-project that would have taken years, but now I am close to a beta after 6 months. If the main work is coding, I am easily 10x as productive. But those productivity gains don't hold up when teams are larger, because communication and processes are not really accelerated. So be a bit more patient. It's too early to expect vibecoded Photoshops.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by [deleted] »

stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by pbiggar »

They mention Vibecoded compiler, here is one: https://blog.paulbiggar.com/full-optimizing-compiler-with-ai.... I continue to work on it in some limited spare time, but it continues well. I'm currently working on building an orchestrator to continue building it, as babysitting the AI still takes a lot of time. Need to figure out how to put the strategic direction into that though.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by falcor84 »

ponector wrote: post #99
imdsm wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because testing is a layer above, and that requires effort from people, and people don't want to put in the effort or lack the skills to properly test with them. I think LLMs are superb at testing, but I have a lot of machinery in front of them to enable it

LLMs are superb at testing easy things. Small website, simple lib, etc. Same way as LLMs cannot code anything complex, they cannot test complex scenarios.

Where is the "cannot" coming from?

The only underlying rule that I see is: the more complex a task is, the lower the probability of success. That's it. And it's the same exact rule that applies to humans. The difference though is that we're seeing an exponential growth in AI capabilities, which are then rapidly disseminated on a scale of months, and we don't see such capability increases in humans.

As I see it, anyone whose mental model is built on what AI can or cannot do is going to have a very bumpy decade.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

"If vibecoding is what people say it is, the world should be drowning in vibecoded artifacts right now"

It is. Look at GitHub repos. Look at the r/selfhosting subreddit. Look at the r/macapps subreddit.

That doesn't mean people are "vibecoding Photoshop." Maybe LLMs will eventually be good enough that you can make a Photoshop without ever looking at any of the code, but they aren't right now.

"And the accusers never want to address that, because addressing it means admitting the accusation doesn't hold up."

What accusation?

This article reads like an LLM wrote it.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bayindirh »

tim-projects wrote: post #115
itomato wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re an artist and you feel like your audience was stolen by AI slop, you didn’t have a real audience and you aren’t a real artist. Go suffer until something good happens in your fingers.

I agree with you, but at the same time I went to university to study music production when Napster just came out. That decimated the music industry forever and I dropped out because I realised I'd made a bad move. I can totally see how ai could do the same thing to all sorts of art industries that have not had their Napster moment yet.

I can argue that the music industry is decimated not directly by Napster, but their practices and dogmas set ground for it.

For me, even as a broke student "Free!" was not the charm, but "accessibility". I made music, played in orchestras. I know the effort required, and never wanted to steal livelihoods from people, but music before Napster was inaccessible.

Some free radios, expensive CDs and cheap cassettes with bad sound quality. It was impossible to explore and listen a broad spectrum of music.

Now I can try and buy albums. Yes, the publishers still earn way more than the musician, but it didn't start with Napster. It was still like that before Napster.

FWIW, I bought and still buy music rather than streaming it, I'd happily continue doing so. I just want DRM-Free high quality music to listen on various devices of mine, that's all.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by mft_ »

What we desperately need is a (vibe-coded or otherwise) modern office suite. I maintain that this is the single biggest factor holding back widespread Linux adoption today, especially for businesses.

Huge swathes of the economy basically runs on Microsoft Office - internal and external business communication is via Powerpoint in meetings, internal and external documentation is via Word, internal analysis (big and small) is via Excel, collaboration is done reasonably well via Sharepoint, and they have the network effect that everyone else uses it too.

The reality is that the alternatives just don't stack up. Google's suite is great for collaboration and okay for limited work, but falls over completely when faced with large documents (imagine thousands of pages for a regulatory submissions) or spreadsheets with large amounts of data. Other options (Libre Offce, Softmaker Office, etc.) may excel in some domains, but offer a steep learning curve, and/or may be unreliable with Microsoft Office format compatibility, and/or are weak on the collaboration side.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by j16sdiz »

j16sdiz wrote: post #113
kingleopold wrote: post #18

can all of you say that competitor to photoshop made by AI native teams is impossible in 10 years?

I think AI will do, like, 90% of them in 10 years. With the last 10% takes much longer (15? 20?). I am upset with the fact that we are accumulating code debit faster than ever. In the most optimistic view, we could pay off those debit in around 10+ years (assume somebody care pay the money to buy token to clean up those). That meant we need to suffer 10+ years of low quality code and software.

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recently, I tried to make AI write Long Form Novel.

The first problem I see is, AI have no idea what is important.

Teaching them when and where to use active voice/passive voice, who needs to be the subject, when to change the focus is just impossible. They love to add comparison and contrast on something least important. They love to use long list of adjective, which is unrelated to the context in current story chapter, just because those adjective are in my character file.

Understanding which problem is important in when and why is something hard.

I think same problem would appear in larger computer programs.

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