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Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by stinkbeetle »

Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

Presumably Kuwait could just assemble a panel of self-proclaimed experts to denounce the speech of people threatening to the regime to be "very dangerous to our democracy", "hate speech", islamophobic, etc.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by DSingularity »

ipaddr wrote: post #83
spwa4 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's supposed to explain it? They knew about the holocaust and chose to support it. Was there a reason for that? Yes, of course. That's not the point. The point is they supported it, knowing full well what they were supporting.

That's a silly point of view when the truth about the holocaust came out after the war. Time traveling point of views are not allowed.

Of course that is logical but you really should learn to distrust your logic. Logic can easily end up leading you to antisemitic ideas. Same with humanitarian ideas about Palestinians and such. It’s best if you just let the Zionists do as they will without any criticism.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by [deleted] »

Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by anonymousiam »

ipaddr wrote: post #80
anonymousiam wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

citation?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21081770

This is not shadow banning, it is increased moderation for new accounts. There's a big difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by jmcgough »

ptdcc wrote: post #25
Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

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The American right to free speech has never extended to fomenting an armed mob and directing them to commit criminal acts.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by 8note »

Jiro wrote: post #59
skywhopper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Free speech” has never meant you can say or do anything you want.

Which is true here, except "do anything you want" is "be displeasing to Kuwait". It's all "they're a private company, they can ban anyone they want" right up until they ban someone who promoters of that idea don't like. Then they're suddenly horrible people for being a private company that bans anyone they want.

if they are doing business in kuwait, theyre gonna be reponsible to kuwaiti law.

> Then they're suddenly horrible people for being a private company that bans anyone they want.

with twitter, people did exactly what is intended - if you dont like it, make your own. now there is truth social and blue sky and threads.

people say twitter is run by horrible people, but nobody is restricting musk's rights to have a vanity project. its a right to speech, not to be liked

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by rexpop »

mw67 wrote: post #3

Crazy that these mega corporations still bow to the requests of countries. Would they do the same of any important actor requesting censorship? like if Elon or Bezos make a request, they'd get ignored, even though they're more powerful than Kuwait.

Did you forget that Elon literally bought out an entire major international social media platform and fundamentally re-oriented its algorithmic editorial policy? He did a lot more than "ask". He literally took the thing over and personally dictated censorship.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by heisenbit »

Tyrubias wrote: post #13

In a sane world, the US as a supposed bastion of free speech and personal liberties would enact legislation that requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts due to rules violations and offer everyone the chance to appeal. That would serve as a counterbalance to more authoritarian regimes insisting companies like Meta censor people, even if the US can’t guarantee it for people…

There is a reason moderation decisions are not perfectly transparent: They are gamed otherwise. So there needs to be legal recourse with discovery and meaningful liability attached to submitting to the role of acting as the agent of a foreign government.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by GetTheFacts »

traverseda wrote: post #30
KaiserPro wrote: post #21

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> requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts wouldn't that violate free speech though? forcing a company to keep something up/take something down is entirely up to them no?

You can be protected by safe harbour provisions, or you can editorialise your content. I don't think you should have both. Free speech does not cover scams and fraud, something that happens on their platform. Society doesn't take any action against them for publishing illegal content, scams, libel, fraud, because they aren't a newspaper. They're more like a newspaper printing house. In my opinion they should probably…

>You can be protected by safe harbour provisions, or you can editorialise your content. I don't think you should have both.

Hi. You seem to be confused or uninformed. Check out this link[0]. IT should help.

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