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Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by MemorableZebra »

cynicalkane wrote: post #5
rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

What's interesting to note is that Sweden doesn't extradite for political crimes. So, legally, there's nothing that Assange has to worry about. Honestly, the more I looked at it the more I started to wonder if he was just being paranoid.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by qq66 »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

It's because the government strategically makes example cases of the least sympathetic individuals. Why do you think all of the anti-privacy legislation is deployed first against child pornographers?

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by rymith »

barrkel wrote: post #9
rymith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Fighting extradition was one thing, but asylum from Ecuador has me fairly convinced there is more to the change than I originally thought.

And 24-hour Met stakeout outside the embassy, cost running into the millions, is standard for an arrest warrant?

Good point.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by freshhawk »

rymith wrote: post #8
cynicalkane wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

To quote Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Fighting extradition was one thing, but asylum from Ecuador has me fairly convinced there is more to the change than I originally thought.

More than the threat of extradition to the US and a Guantanamo vacation?

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by freshhawk »

jivatmanx wrote: post #4
rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

Because political activism on an issue that's not obvious injustice is a quixotic, and the smart people are out building new things/finding ways to route around the problem rather than fighting a losing battle.

if by "route around the problem" you mean "extract money from the broken system" then I would agree. Otherwise I'd need to be convinced with examples.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by mtgx »

cynicalkane wrote: post #5
rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

He's not not accused of rape, actually.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by citricsquid »

barrkel wrote: post #9
rymith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Fighting extradition was one thing, but asylum from Ecuador has me fairly convinced there is more to the change than I originally thought.

And 24-hour Met stakeout outside the embassy, cost running into the millions, is standard for an arrest warrant?

This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy.

If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media personality was wanted on an international arrest warrant and sought refuge in an embassy like Assange has done it would have warranted the same media attention and thus the same police presence.

The Assange case may be full of suspicious circumstances, but I don't think the heavy police presence at the embassy is anything other than the result of the media circus surrounding the situation (which is of Assange's own creation).

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by brabram »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

Just take a look at Eben Moglen[0], he is a very brilliant speaker and a brilliant man in general. Or Jérémie Zimmermann[1] for the European side. Or Benjamin Bayart for the French side.

[0] http://youtu.be/sKOk4Y4inVY [1] http://youtu.be/qRiY9tkdkV8 [2] http://youtu.be/i7JVzN3dM34 (in french)

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by johnny22 »

freshhawk wrote: post #14
rymith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Fighting extradition was one thing, but asylum from Ecuador has me fairly convinced there is more to the change than I originally thought.

More than the threat of extradition to the US and a Guantanamo vacation?

that was never going to happen. I have no idea why anybody would think it would. He is far too public for that.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by johnny22 »

cynicalkane wrote: post #5
rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

I wish i could understand why anybody would defend Assange for anything.
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