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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Insanity »

bruki wrote: post #14
orochimaaru wrote: post #8

>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…

Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.

Only somewhat. I’d argue the internet could be considered a basic utility to function in the modern world, yet that just builds on electricity.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by boomskats »

If we could just do something, anything about being so aggressively colonised by the Palantirs and the neoliberal think tanks and the Christian far-right money, and ISDS-littered trade agreements, then the rest would just follow. Sadly though, I don't think we stand a chance.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by dumbmrblah »

pesacharia wrote: post #18
imperfectibex wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2nd would be China imho...so 3rd at best

If you include the UK and Switzerland in Europe then Europe is clearly doing ahead of China. The 1st and 3rd AI nations in Europe are not in the EU though, so if you restrict it to just the EU it falls well behind china

What does UK and Switzerland have that even remotely compares to what China has in terms of AI?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by bdangubic »

janice1999 wrote: post #17
poszlem wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, cannot wait when it finally stops being true, so people can stop saying it.

Americans are just as regulated and with even more egregious regulatory capture (see the American broadband/mobile provider cartel). At least Europeans get a little consumer protection.

america regulates to ensure companies (as few as humanly possible) profit while europe regulates to protect the consumers. the core difference, yea! and americans seemed to be always shitting on europe completely oblivious of what is being done to them, for decades now

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Etheryte »

polotics wrote: post #13
SilverElfin wrote: post #6

Unfortunately Europe is already far behind. OpenAI started over a decade ago. How can Europe catch up? Maybe if progress slows down and they have time to at least get into the same position as Chinese models, but they also need to invest in it. But with what money? And why would talented people stay there instead of going to America where they can get a fairer share of their hard earned money? There’s so much more to…

The most telling part is when he explains that in order to grant stock options he had to navigate each and every single different legal setup for each one of the member states. I felt for a while the "European Union" has been turned into a foil for nations that had absolutely no intention to really integrate. Unless actual integration, simple one rule for all on the continent, happens within the next handfuls of mont…

I don't think this argument holds much water. Each state in the US has their own legislation and taxes and it works just fine.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by mrtksn »

The only thing that can “save Europe” is US embargo, otherwise doesn’t make sense to do replication of the US effort whatsoever. In US the AI is a private effort, in Europe there are no businesses that are interested in investing such large amounts of money when they can benefit from US made AI. In China they don’t have this option to use the US offerings so they must invest, be it the government or the business that will be protected from US competition.

Unless Trump invades Greenland and EU makes sure that US tech is off limits for at least a decade to come, a revolution happens in UK or France goes full nationalistic there won’t be “European tech” beyond niche. Currently the “American AI” isn’t American, it’s bunch of Europeans, Canadians and Asians building the AI that will serve US and EU customers under the supervision of Americans using European, Arab, Russian and American money.

It is incorporated in America but as Musk demonstrates, if you increase taxes or allow certain sexual relationships that CEO’s don’t approve they can just take it somewhere else.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by thfuran »

bruki wrote: post #14
orochimaaru wrote: post #8

>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…

Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.

Those are all mutually dependent. Turn off the electric grid and close all the roads and see how long municipal water supplies last.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by jvwww »

dumbmrblah wrote: post #23
pesacharia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you include the UK and Switzerland in Europe then Europe is clearly doing ahead of China. The 1st and 3rd AI nations in Europe are not in the EU though, so if you restrict it to just the EU it falls well behind china

What does UK and Switzerland have that even remotely compares to what China has in terms of AI?

London has incredible AI talent but yeah, unfortunately most of them work on American tech. In another life Deepmind would not be owned by Google but alas.
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