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Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by hvb2 »

moffkalast wrote: post #63
peterisza wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was a genuine attempt but they failed to find a simple enough solution.

Invisible solar is a genuine use case in areas with shitty power tripping HOAs, but even regular solar takes a decade to break even, so if you sell something like that at inflated Tesla level prices then they simply never will and there is no reason to buy them in the first place.

That's where regulation comes in. California for example made it almost impossible for a HOA to block. You're not allowed to add more than $1K to the project with your 'requirements'

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Post by general1465 »

sidcool wrote: post #73
bartvk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is very critical of Elon Musk, but I never caught him writing something false.

He is extremely negative about Tesla, consistently. He's careful not to open himself to lawsuit with plausible deniability. But he borderline lies. I won't be surprised if he's on the payroll of legacy auto

I don't think he is on payroll, but he was promised Tesla Roadster, when it did not materialize he went on a vengeful crusade. I don't blame the guy, I would do the same.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by hvb2 »

SXX wrote: post #50
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course the market wanted it. I wanted it. My friends wanted it. But we couldn’t buy it because it was vapourware ! From this to self-driving cars in 2 years to tunnels that will change public transport… maybe Musk should prototype and see what’s actually possible before telling the market. I mean come on - it’s borderline fraud in order to pump stocks - there’s got to be stockholders that are forming class actions…

Both self driving craze and car tunnel madness is only possible at all because how car centric US mindset is. If you even try to suggest that people could instead use good public transport and pedestrian infrastructure they would look at you like you are some sort of crazy. Musk just takes car centric society pipe dreams and sell it back to them. Like OMG you transiting to work and can safely stay in your phone 99% o…

While i kinda agree with you, it doesn't fly for most US cities.

Most US cities aren't dense at all. A lot of them were built with transportation in mind. London and European cities in general are so much older that their city centers have no real way to accommodate that.

So what do you do? You provide non car options. Technically they exist in US cities too, but especially on the west coast they're just not a viable alternative. Nobody who can choose will take a 2 hour public transit trip over a 20 minute drive. Heck, in a lot of cases biking might be faster than your transit option, albeit riskier

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by objclxt »

kortilla wrote: post #23
Teever wrote: post #13

Tesla's inability to produce solar panels is why I'm most skeptical of the whole terafab datacentre in space stuff. Everyone gets caught up in the thermal management stuff and the power density stuff and whatever but to me that's a red herring. The real issue is that Tesla has never known the ability to produce solar panels at scale and Musk said in that recent interview with Dwarkesh that he intends to do all the so…

You are mixing up Tesla and SpaceX. SpaceX already produces solar panels for the 10,000+ satellites it has in space.

> SpaceX already produces solar panels for the 10,000+ satellites it has in space

No they don't, they procure them from Taiwan Solar Energy Corp. They do not produce or manufacture their own cells, they're using off the shelf components.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

SXX wrote: post #50
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course the market wanted it. I wanted it. My friends wanted it. But we couldn’t buy it because it was vapourware ! From this to self-driving cars in 2 years to tunnels that will change public transport… maybe Musk should prototype and see what’s actually possible before telling the market. I mean come on - it’s borderline fraud in order to pump stocks - there’s got to be stockholders that are forming class actions…

Both self driving craze and car tunnel madness is only possible at all because how car centric US mindset is. If you even try to suggest that people could instead use good public transport and pedestrian infrastructure they would look at you like you are some sort of crazy. Musk just takes car centric society pipe dreams and sell it back to them. Like OMG you transiting to work and can safely stay in your phone 99% o…

But transit only solves your problem in cities like London. Some people - for some reason I’m still not entirely clear on - seem to like this. But other people - so far the majority - don’t. And for those, self-driving cars solve the transit problem. That’s valuable. And you only need to beat unit economics of taxis. So there is a significant margin to capture

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by xnx »

perilunar wrote: post #78
xnx wrote: post #74

Aside from power-independence, does solar on residential roofs ever make sense? For all the complexity of doing a few houses, you could do an entire parking lot (or empty land) and power the whole neighborhood.

Clearly they make economic sense or people wouldn't buy them.

I wish that were true, but I suspect more people are doing it to be trendy/appear "green" than basing it on a system lifetime ROI calculation vs. alternatives.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by SXX »

hvb2 wrote: post #84
SXX wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both self driving craze and car tunnel madness is only possible at all because how car centric US mindset is. If you even try to suggest that people could instead use good public transport and pedestrian infrastructure they would look at you like you are some sort of crazy. Musk just takes car centric society pipe dreams and sell it back to them. Like OMG you transiting to work and can safely stay in your phone 99% o…

While i kinda agree with you, it doesn't fly for most US cities. Most US cities aren't dense at all. A lot of them were built with transportation in mind. London and European cities in general are so much older that their city centers have no real way to accommodate that. So what do you do? You provide non car options. Technically they exist in US cities too, but especially on the west coast they're just not a viable…

While there is obviously no one easy solution for every city situation could easily be improved in a lot of them if there was political will. At least it would be 1000% more sane than pitching underground car tunnels.

It obviously take decades not years, but again Tesla full self driving was promissed back in 2016 and something tells me it would be a big success if it will be deployed on scale in 2036.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by hvb2 »

SXX wrote: post #88
hvb2 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While i kinda agree with you, it doesn't fly for most US cities. Most US cities aren't dense at all. A lot of them were built with transportation in mind. London and European cities in general are so much older that their city centers have no real way to accommodate that. So what do you do? You provide non car options. Technically they exist in US cities too, but especially on the west coast they're just not a viable…

While there is obviously no one easy solution for every city situation could easily be improved in a lot of them if there was political will. At least it would be 1000% more sane than pitching underground car tunnels. It obviously take decades not years, but again Tesla full self driving was promissed back in 2016 and something tells me it would be a big success if it will be deployed on scale in 2036.

People don't want to change. In the us on the west coast I would say that public transit has a bit of a stigma. You don't use it unless you have to.

Couldn't be more different in the big European cities, using a car there is (made) cumbersome.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by sidcool »

general1465 wrote: post #83
sidcool wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is extremely negative about Tesla, consistently. He's careful not to open himself to lawsuit with plausible deniability. But he borderline lies. I won't be surprised if he's on the payroll of legacy auto

I don't think he is on payroll, but he was promised Tesla Roadster, when it did not materialize he went on a vengeful crusade. I don't blame the guy, I would do the same.

Is that legit?
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