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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by ktallett »

miki123211 wrote: post #114
ktallett wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is a little unclear. However no matter what the government or security services want, they won't be able to stop people who want to use VPN or End to end encryption. Nothing would ever change in that regard.

VPNS need money to operate, and money businesses have anchors in the real, physical, brick-and-mortar world, which is ultimately under control of the British police, with their extendable batons and prison bars. If you make money by laying asphalt on British streets and get paid in British pounds, there's no way for you to pay an internet business in Malta if the British government doesn't want you to. Sure, there's…

A internet based company in many countries can not be held to any law because the UK aren't a fan. Companies don't need to collect cash in the UK to run a business worldwide.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by ryandrake »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112

Is the charitable reading of whatever’s going on in Europe right now that European states don’t believe they can hold American tech giants accountable to their laws? I genuinely don’t see why a law banning under-14 year olds from social media wouldn’t be the first step.

Because it’s not a good idea, everyone else becomes inconvenienced and/or subject to spyware just to arbitrarily age-limit something that doesn’t have to be age limited, and despite that inconvenience, it will inevitably be worked around by motivated 13 year olds.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by gorgoiler »

tlogan wrote: post #146
abc123abc123 wrote: post #80

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This is the way! It is frightening how eagerly parents want to give up freedom for everyone, in return for not having to care about their offspring and the illusion of 100% safety. I think the authoritarian trend accelerated during corona. Our western political nobility got a real taste for power, and they have not been able to free themselves from that afrodisiac ever since. Therefore chat control, 1, 2, 3, and when…

I do not think parents are the one pushing these controls. They are busy raising the kids.

There’s an alternate view that parents are very much in support of centralized policy. When policy is left up to individual families — little Johnny X has an iPhone but little Timmy Y doesn’t — the creep towards everyone having a phone begins. When, instead, the school board bans phones it’s much easier for the conservative majority of parents to hold the line.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by heresie-dabord »

miki123211 wrote: post #93
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

> It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly."

Nor can it, because it takes a village to raise a human being.

And in this (global) village, we have determined that we will monetise everything... and for the victims, there's thoughts and prayers. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_and_prayers

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by coldtea »

therealpygon wrote: post #133
mschuster91 wrote: post #108

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> It is frightening how eagerly parents want to give up freedom for everyone, It's not like parents have much of a choice. When you gotta work 2 jobs to barely make rent and groceries, you need some sort of "safe space" to pawn your children off to.

Just my opinion but… I’m all for helping people in the situations that aren’t of their own creation, so using the excuse “what are they supposed to do” doesn’t really fit for me? The first option is to use a condom if they are in a bad financial situation. It’s been amazing how every time I’ve used one, I haven’t had a child. When did we stop making people responsible for their choices? I’m not against assistance, I’…

>The first option is to use a condom if they are in a bad financial situation. It’s been amazing how every time I’ve used one, I haven’t had a child.

That's what they've been doing in unprecedented numbers. Which via demographic collapse is going to cause an even worse crisis, economic, social, political, and more, further down the line.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by rightbyte »

i80and wrote: post #135
malfist wrote: post #130

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So your solution to preventing "surveillance state" is to unmask everyone on the internet? Now who has the inconsistent argument

I don't know the parent's policy position, but it seems like they didn't express one, and you've just assumed they support deanonymization?

Ye this modern view that more and more assumes polarisation of stands on matters is kinda annoying. I don't support deanonymization.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by zombot »

therealpygon wrote: post #133
mschuster91 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is frightening how eagerly parents want to give up freedom for everyone, It's not like parents have much of a choice. When you gotta work 2 jobs to barely make rent and groceries, you need some sort of "safe space" to pawn your children off to.

Just my opinion but… I’m all for helping people in the situations that aren’t of their own creation, so using the excuse “what are they supposed to do” doesn’t really fit for me? The first option is to use a condom if they are in a bad financial situation. It’s been amazing how every time I’ve used one, I haven’t had a child. When did we stop making people responsible for their choices? I’m not against assistance, I’…

That's fussing around with symptoms. The real cure would be to remove the reasons parents don't have time for their children anymore.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by foldr »

Izmaki wrote: post #106
foldr wrote: post #46

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It’s better to hide conflicts of interest? (Edit: I don’t disagree with Mozilla’s position, but failure to declare an obvious conflict of interest undermines their credibility.)

By your logic it's also better if Ray-Ban and Oakley don't publicly state that UV light is dangerous and that people should use sunglasses if outside. That sounds silly.

I said that they should have declared the conflict of interest, not that they shouldn't have made the statement.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by verisimi »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #155
miki123211 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

> It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." Nor can it, because it takes a village to raise a human being. And in this (global) village, we have determined that we will monetise everything... and for the victims, there's thoughts and prayers. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_and_prayers

Is your child my child? Should I involve myself in how you choose to bring up the child, if you espouse ideas I disagree with?
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