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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I feel in a really weird position where I both really dislike what AI is doing to the experience and practice of writing code, to the point where I want a job doing literally anything else besides using the computer, but also think that these tools are extremely powerful and only getting better. I think Mitchell's point is well taken -- it's possible for these tools to introduce rotten foundations that will only be f…

I've never had more fun coding, but the key is actually still writing the code yourself. The LLM has terrible judgment but an encyclopedic knowledge and the ability to pick out important details in a sea of information. Their worse use is producing code, but somehow that gets all the energy. Being an LLM babysitter is energy draining and you feel less and less in control. No job is worth being miserable doing somethi…

> The LLM has terrible judgment but an encyclopedic knowledge

Bingo. Claude can bang out nearly correct code when I give it an idea, but it doesn't have the idea and repeatedly misjudges both how much work remains and what kind.

On the other hand, I don't know all the ins or outs of macro expansion in yaml at compile time or when and where macros run, enabling us to conaume their results elsewhere in the yaml. Frankly, if I had time, I'd happily spend time on that and learn more about it. I don't, though. Claude knows and does the guessing and checking. So I provide the concept and it translates into a horrible soup of yaml. Clearly I'm able to press forward with ignorance, which is dangerous. There's a real risk that I'll wind up with the kinds of unhealthy work that worries the author of the tweet.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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This is actually not a bad exam to administer: https://ncees.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/FINAL_PE-Electr...

In the Civil & Structural world, there is no greater honor than to be on the standards committee. I hope that this becomes a thing in Software Engineering.

IEEE SWEBOK tried to and is generally considered not to have achieved what it set out to do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Engineering_Body_of_K...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41907412

See if you can find anyone outside of PE relying on it. ACM withdrew from it in 2000.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Are economists still trying to sell us the fairy tale that the market is rational?

The saying "the market is rational" simply means that assets are priced using all currently available information.

And then your bias makes you ignore all available information, so this doesn't mean anything.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Same. I've used it for debugging failed canary tests which required scripts and very specific knowledge on the canary platform that I wouldnt of ever spent time on. I also have scripts to fetch specific database assets and forward them to slack channels so I can easily share them with a group rather than manually running a query and generating them. I had a theory about improving a product. I asked it to build an off…

I find it very useful for debugging tasks like that but it always ends up costing me like $3 despite doing incredible work. And then one of the other engineers at my company will rack up like $200 in tokens in one day producing tens of thousands of SLOC and we end up actually shipping about the same stuff. Sometimes I wonder if it's bad agent use discipline (just pointing it at massive codebases and having it read it…

But depending on how much you get paid hourly, $3 would be very little comparatively, no?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I think one factor is AI is encouraging people to turn off their brains. It sometimes feels like AI chatbot use is like the doomscrolling of work - it's always easier just to dump something into the chatbot than think about it. The real question is: what's the fallout going to be after the dust settles? My guess is that the explosion of codebase entropy now underway from this is going to make for an interesting futur…

Deliberate thinking will be a think soon in our field.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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As a junior dev there is this pressure to produce code, add features, and investigate bugs within unprecedented time period. I know whole code base is fking up but i will still add that feature or do a sloppy bug fix without digging deeper.

In my experience, AI really lowered the bar for bad code in the name of delivering faster. I have seen people write highly complex code where all the complexity was not necessary. Think: deep unnecessary branching, pointless error handling and retries which make no sense in our context, hand-coded parsing using regexps, haphazard data flow, functions which seem purely computational but slyly make API calls, pointless…

> it works in the end. Even has tests (ostensibly mock-ridden, a pet peeve of mine which always falls on deaf ears). So I cannot reject the PR without being an asshole.

This is a social problem that I had thought the industry had solved a long time ago.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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In my experience, AI really lowered the bar for bad code in the name of delivering faster. I have seen people write highly complex code where all the complexity was not necessary. Think: deep unnecessary branching, pointless error handling and retries which make no sense in our context, hand-coded parsing using regexps, haphazard data flow, functions which seem purely computational but slyly make API calls, pointless…

I have a friend, smart guy, who is writing web services and “connecting them together” for a large firm; he has absolutely no programming experience. Talking to him, he told me he couldn’t even reverse a string. He is at once many times more valuable than ever before to his company, but also far more dangerous than ever before.

He's "smart" but he chooses to be in a business where he's presumptively willfully ignorant of the fundamentals (since he surely should be able to learn to reverse a string if he wanted to learn)? He doesn't have a more lucrative opportunity available? Or does he somehow have a skillset that makes him able to "connect web services together" by prompting AIs in ways that other people (including ones who can reverse strings, etc.) couldn't?

This form of being "smart" is a bit difficult for me to comprehend, I must admit.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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May I ask what tools did you make so far? And what is on your roadmap?

Not OP, but a very simple example: I use AI to review my work before opening a PR for my colleagues to review. I ask it to review the commits in my branch. Instead of consuming tokens just to instruct it how to use git operations and other tools to find the commits since the base commit, I asked AI to create a little bash script to make patch files commit1.patch, commit2.patch, commit3.patch, etc, for all the commits…

I also find it useful for review, and sometimes I use multiple passes to review for different categories. Like security, performance and so on.
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