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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by budududuroiu »

ifwinterco wrote: post #5

UK is not and has never been a free society, UK elites have an authoritarian streak. Historically they were fairly smart at doing it subtly but the mask slipped during Covid and they never really put it back on. Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular. Normies supported covid lockdowns and they don’t want their kids watching porn either. The people yearn to be ruled and nannied

I've heard people on HN make the argument that a blanket ban is better because their kids won't feel it's unfair that only their family implements strict internet blocks

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by reddalo »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #6

> VPNs are essential privacy tools Does Mozilla not understand that this is the exact reason why the UK wants to forbid them?

And that's also the reason why they introduced "age verification". It's not age verification, they couldn't care less about children.

Age verification is just mass surveillance under a fake name.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by globular-toast »

This is a fairly difficult problem. I think the internet should be for adults only, like many other things. But we've fucked up by giving children internet access and it's going to be hard to undo it. I think rather than fighting these measures we need to work on alternatives because keeping children off the internet is a good idea, we just need to implement it in a good way.

What about just banning phones for children? Could we ever make that work? It would be like cigarette bans except we now have 5 year olds addicted to tobacco and addict parents who don't want to make them go cold turkey.

Public libraries and schools can be used for genuine research purposes, but not addictive shit. And implemented ad blockers at the network level.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by pibaker »

ifwinterco wrote: post #5

UK is not and has never been a free society, UK elites have an authoritarian streak. Historically they were fairly smart at doing it subtly but the mask slipped during Covid and they never really put it back on. Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular. Normies supported covid lockdowns and they don’t want their kids watching porn either. The people yearn to be ruled and nannied

> Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular.

This stuff wasn't unpopular on HN until it actually happened. Almost every submission on HN about social media had people calling for similar regulations or even outright bans. It was not until they actually started asking for IDs when HNers realized what they really wanted to achieve with these laws.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by itsnotchow54 »

budududuroiu wrote: post #11
ifwinterco wrote: post #5

UK is not and has never been a free society, UK elites have an authoritarian streak. Historically they were fairly smart at doing it subtly but the mask slipped during Covid and they never really put it back on. Also - outside the HN bubble this stuff isn’t even unpopular. Normies supported covid lockdowns and they don’t want their kids watching porn either. The people yearn to be ruled and nannied

I've heard people on HN make the argument that a blanket ban is better because their kids won't feel it's unfair that only their family implements strict internet blocks

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by iLoveOncall »

globular-toast wrote: post #14

This is a fairly difficult problem. I think the internet should be for adults only, like many other things. But we've fucked up by giving children internet access and it's going to be hard to undo it. I think rather than fighting these measures we need to work on alternatives because keeping children off the internet is a good idea, we just need to implement it in a good way. What about just banning phones for childr…

Or we could realize that there are already 2 generations that grew while having access to the internet and turned out perfectly fine?
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