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Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by Barbing »

freakynit wrote: post #33
freakynit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep yep yep.. that explains it. Not the software fault as I original suspected (at least in the break-jamming case). What I "felt" like jammed was probably just that vacuum system not helping, but since it happened for the first time (with me), and so abruptly, it felt like the brakes were jammed. But, the worrying, and a lot more scarier part is that this was not me accidentally leaving the car in accessory/power-on…

So I researched a bit more on that break thingy... and just learned that this assist provides anywhere form 4x to 10x the assist. And without it, you would literally have to stand on the breaks with full body weight to have a similar effect. Wow!!

Funfact4life, even with modern cars in emergency braking scenarios you _still_ want to STAND on that brake pedal with all your weight!

...ooh, a mnemonic: "STOMP, STAY and STEER". (Stomp brake, Stay stomped, Steer around obstacles while pressing brake hard.) Even if it vibrates!

[Grand]pa had to "pump" his brakes (on/off/on/off), we have it easier :)

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by cookiengineer »

dylan604 wrote: post #28
gonesilent wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can find a good security vulnerability Tesla will give you root on your car as an award.

If you found that vuln, wouldn't you already have root?

That's the joke

...because they never patch it, and are busy building robots instead.

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by defrost »

Barbing wrote: post #41
freakynit wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I researched a bit more on that break thingy... and just learned that this assist provides anywhere form 4x to 10x the assist. And without it, you would literally have to stand on the breaks with full body weight to have a similar effect. Wow!!

Funfact4life, even with modern cars in emergency braking scenarios you _still_ want to STAND on that brake pedal with all your weight! ...ooh, a mnemonic: "STOMP, STAY and STEER". (Stomp brake, Stay stomped, Steer around obstacles while pressing brake hard.) Even if it vibrates! [Grand]pa had to "pump" his brakes (on/off/on/off), we have it easier :)

> Steer around obstacles while pressing brake hard

That seems like a good way to flip a car or truck.

Also runs counter to the advice that's given for surviving a sudden kangaroo on road at night incident .. for the past 60+ years.

eg:

  Don’t swerve Most severe crashes involving an animal occur when the driver veers off the road, and hits something else instead. What’s more, the animal is just as likely to flee in the direction you’re steering.

  Brake in a straight line The only thing worse than swerving, is swerving with locked up tyres. Keeping a straight-line trajectory while you hit the brakes will allow you to reduce speed quickly, then – if the animal still hasn’t moved and you’ve reached a safe speed – you can steer around.
~ https://www.isuzu.com.au/news/news-articles/how-to-avoid-a-k...

and

  6. Slow it down, don’t swerve
~ https://www.huddleinsurance.com/post/kangaroos-australian-ro...

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by fsckboy »

>Fisker had built what Cory Doctorow, the digital rights author and activist, pointedly called a “software-based car.” Virtually every subsystem in the Ocean — brakes, airbags, shifting, battery management, door locks — needed to periodically connect with Fisker’s cloud servers for diagnostics or regular operations.

pretty sure you can say "Fisker built a software-based car" without being "pointed" and without needing to cite Cory Doctorow. It would be a pretty anodyne statement in an article about owners taking over maintenance of the software that is pervasaive in their electric cars from a defuct manufacturer,

suggestion to the maintainers: please find some place in the UI to allow "Fiskers cut and paste"

https://www.fiskars.com/-/media/fiskars/images/united-states...

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by TwoNineFive »

WHERE DO I BUY ONE?

This is not a joke. The prime thing that keeps me driving my old vehicle is my avoidance of modern corporate totalitarianism in tracked vehicles, spying, and other crap. I'm not buying something just to rent it too.

I would pay above-market.

I'm researching this right now. Maybe I've finally found my new car.

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

#47

Post by ffsm8 »

alex_young wrote: post #46

This is the second time Fisker has burned car owners and gone out of business. How many more times will it happen? Shouldn’t stuff be allowed to die?

Owners of the cars, not the company.

It's in the first few paragraphs - just hard to get there (without instantly closing) because it's pure AI slop...

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by kristopolous »

kaonwarb wrote: post #20

This reads very AI. Pangram [0] agrees [1]. [0] Not perfect, but I think as good evidence as any: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.15654 [1] https://www.pangram.com/history/44cd07d3-ba94-4331-8c7f-a626...

sure, but there's still actual journalism behind it. Isn't the primary objection to ai slop is that it's just vapid regurgitation?

I've been reading electrek for years, they're generally pretty decent journalists. If the author here is doing the interview, getting the notes together, doing the research and then has a system prompt of the voice of the publication and says "generate", do we still say slop?

Personally I think "eh..." - I think basically everyone will eventually view journalism as not necessarily involving the writing of the final document in the same way that most people don't yell about synthesizers not being real music any more.

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by bonsai_spool »

kristopolous wrote: post #48
kaonwarb wrote: post #20

This reads very AI. Pangram [0] agrees [1]. [0] Not perfect, but I think as good evidence as any: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.15654 [1] https://www.pangram.com/history/44cd07d3-ba94-4331-8c7f-a626...

sure, but there's still actual journalism behind it. Isn't the primary objection to ai slop is that it's just vapid regurgitation? I've been reading electrek for years, they're generally pretty decent journalists. If the author here is doing the interview, getting the notes together, doing the research and then has a system prompt of the voice of the publication and says "generate", do we still say slop? Personally I…

> most people don't yell about synthesizers not being real music any more.

I think a lot more effort is required to release (popular) music, and I'm only hearing 'independent' music at concert venues which also require a lot of effort.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to transform the raw materials of journalism, which you cite, into a finished product outside the process of writing and sitting with your thoughts. And there isn't a similar venue to the idea of concerts where I can personally see journalists' skill/creativity/mastery.

Thus, I can't tell if the work of an AI-assisted journalist is intentional or complete the way I can tell if an AI song is poorly done.

Re: Fisker went bankrupt and owners built an open source car company from the ashes

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Post by embedding-shape »

kaonwarb wrote: post #20

This reads very AI. Pangram [0] agrees [1]. [0] Not perfect, but I think as good evidence as any: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.15654 [1] https://www.pangram.com/history/44cd07d3-ba94-4331-8c7f-a626...

> Not perfect, but I think as good evidence as any

It really isn't, I just tried a random one of my own HN comments, very much 100% human and it reported "100% of this text is AI Generated".

Tools that give false-positives aren't just "not perfect", they're actively harmful and not "as good evidence as any". Stop relying on those tools to give you any sort of direction or indication what so ever, they simply do not work.

Edit: Lol, just noticed Pangram also provides "evidence" for their rating, your link says it's 100% written by AI because there is 16 instances found of the Em Dash, that's it, those are all the evidence for the very confident "100% AI" score they gave... Yay science!

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