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The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by morkalork »

kilroy123 wrote: post #176
keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

I have a wild idea. Why not spend that money on providing good mental health and rehabilitation services instead? I have multiple close family members who have struggled badly with drug and alcohol abuse. Good treatment is the way, not the government handing out drugs.

All the mental health treatment and resiliance training in the world isn't going to address root societal causes

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by whimsicalism »

keepamovin wrote: post #182
nswango wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original Atlantic article, which this one is trying to refute, also doesn't present any evidence for the theory that 'new meth' has significant different effects on health. After a fact dump about different types of meth, it's literally a collection of anecdotal evidence from meth users going "for the first 5 years of smoking weekly, I had a great time partying in a relaxed way with my best buds, now that I've lo…

I really appreciate your take. I think it is correct and reads as accurate. Clearly a batch problem. Also, I'm glad that the read from someone who's been in the trenches and on the ground about this issue is alignment with mine. Thanks for sharing on this thread

what? their take directly contradicts what you said and supports the original article.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by pitaj »

hash872 wrote: post #34
keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

>The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance Famously, the US spent about 15-20 years attempting this with opioids. They were widely available to people via a pseudo-medical process, or via secondhand dealing. Opioids were/are manufactured by regulated, publicly traded companies with inspectors who controlled purity and productio…

And yet, as the DEA and other agencies tighten distribution of opioids, deaths continue to increase.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by projektfu »

whimsicalism wrote: post #28
trhway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, while the show probably popularized the idea of purity for meth, in general strict prohibition leads to increase in purity and potency. We've recently seen that with heroin/fentanyl. There is probably still no "fentanyl of meth", and thus so far only purity increase. Once a more potent, fentanyl-like, meth appears, it will probably similarly get into and displace a lot of classic meth trade.

What? Prohibition historically showed the exact opposite. I suspect higher purity & potency of street drugs has much more to do with more sophisticated operators operating outside of the US than strict prohibition. Same with fentanyl.

Prohibition encouraged higher potency but purity was highly questionable. The stills themselves often leeched contaminants from the metal used to make them, as well as the heads and tails of the distillate, which should be discarded but might not be.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by projektfu »

ptrl600 wrote: post #70

Ephedrine isn't banned, not even behind a prescription, there's just rather strict limits on how much you can buy a month. I take a Bronkaid every morning with my coffee.

I keep it on hand for when I don't have access to albuterol but I am having trouble sleeping because of wheezing.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by inejge »

otherme123 wrote: post #95
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #72

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All Scandinavian countries except Denmark have some form of state-run monopoly on the sale of harder alcohol, and of these countries, Denmark is the country where people drink the most, in particular among the youth. It is disingenuous to claim that something doesn't work if it doesn't eliminate it completely. It is pretty well recognized that tight regulation of alcohol sales and marketing together with taxation hel…

Lets not forget that in the US not only opioids get legalized, but they were given to people as a substitute for aspirins. And then retired without mercy. Did you get addicted? Well, you are on your own now, go get some fentanyl under a bridge. I live in Spain. Alcohol is not tighty regulated here, and is cheap if we compare with nordic countries. But we, overall, have a culture of knowing how to drink, low proof dri…

> I went to Finland, and there were ships going from Finland to Estonia, carrying people just to buy cheaper alcohol there. They went back to Helsinki with shopping bags full of vodka. Makes you wonder how does it look Tallin in drinking statistics.

They just need to exclude the shops in a 150 m radius from Terminal D in the Tallinn harbor to get accurate statistics, the Finns rarely go beyond that ;)

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Post by IAmGraydon »

This article explores whether P2P meth is more likely to cause schizophrenia than Ephedrine meth and does so in a very methodical and data - driven manner. However, the very basis of all of this is non existent. He presents zero evidence that meth users now have a higher rate of schizophrenia and only refers to an anecdotal statement by one guy. Seems like a lot of effort to go through before even exploring if the claim is legitimate.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by fc417fc802 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #190
fc417fc802 wrote: post #118

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> The world is obviously better of without drugs, You slip such a confident assertion in there seemingly without justification. Do you think (for example) that the world would be better off without alcohol? I certainly don't. Everything has downsides; that doesn't on its own justify eliminating it. It's analogous to the adage that the most secure computer is the one encased in a block of cement so as to render it ent…

I believe the world would be better of without alcohol for consumption, yes. The only real benefits are not being the one outside the group, and the downsides include liver damage, social damage, massively higher risk for falling, drunk driving,... More to the point, alcohol would never be permitted if it was invented today. Marijuana might.

You left out the most important benefit IMO. People enjoy the effects it has. Instead you're making out like it serves no purpose.

> More to the point, alcohol would never be permitted if it was invented today. Marijuana might.

Isn't that circular reasoning? We know the world is better off without it because it would run afoul of the current regulatory regime. It would run afoul of the current regulatory regime because we know the world is better off without things like that.

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