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The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by jampekka »

cyberax wrote: post #64
keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

> The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance. The thing is, drugs are addictive. ESPECIALLY meth. How would you prevent people from just getting as much as they want and then becoming drug zombies? Fentanyl is similar. Cartels perfected its production, so now it's pure and widely available. It's even worse than meth in some rega…

The main idea indeed is usually "channeling consumption" to less harmful substances, dosages/concentrations and outlets.

A prime example is alcohol, where prohibition led to bad outcomes. This led to the regulated legalization model.

E.g. in some Nordic countries hard liquor is still only available in government stores and licensed restaurants, with exactly this logic. Not long ago bars could serve only one "unit" of alcohol at a time. Longer ago there were limits to how much alcohol one could buy in a week.

> I guess the idea is that people will just keep using "safer" drugs like cocaine instead? I'm not sure it's working, we legalized cannabis and it made zero difference.

Cannabis and cocaine are very different kinds of substances with very different uses and audiences. Expecting legalized cannabis to substantially reduce cocaine use is like expecting banning of coffee would substantially increase alcohol consumption. There can be some minor effects due to multiple illegal substances tending to have the same outlets, but this is likely a subtle at best.

Also how much more "safe" cocaine is from methamphetamine is not that clear. Probably the largest effect is from very different demographics of methamphetamine vs cocaine users.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by Denatonium »

stymaar wrote: post #157
hash872 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance Famously, the US spent about 15-20 years attempting this with opioids. They were widely available to people via a pseudo-medical process, or via secondhand dealing. Opioids were/are manufactured by regulated, publicly traded companies with inspectors who controlled purity and productio…

WTF. This is complete nonsense. Opioids have never been made legal for recreational purpose. They were sold as painkillers by pharma corporations lying about their addictive effects and promoted through marketing campaign targeting doctors to prescribe them. I has nothing to do with the topic of recreational drugs.

Many opioids, including opiates, used to be OTC. I personally know someone who used to smoke paregoric (camphorated tincture of opium), which was OTC in the US until 1970.

I believe 1970 was also the year when amphetamine (Benzedrine) inhalers stopped being OTC.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by fc417fc802 »

ptrl600 wrote: post #142
fc417fc802 wrote: post #123

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I have to ask, why are you consuming (pseudo?)ephedrine every morning?

Losing 5 pounds a month, 20 down and 10 to go.

Do I understand correctly that you're using it as an appetite suppressant? How effective has it been for you? Particularly considering that you're already drinking coffee and I would have expected caffeine to have the stronger effect there.

Also out of curiosity why not go with one of the new peptides?

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Post by balamatom »

TheServitor wrote: post #78
ghthor wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chronic Back pain is correlated with emotional trauma. The physical body is a mere projection of the energetic and spiritual being. This is wahy meditative spiritual practices such as yoga and taiji are good for chronic pain, as the physical pain is a mere projection of a deeper trauma that needs released.

Relieved to learn that my small peen is merely a projection of my energetic spiritual being.

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Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by jampekka »

jona-f wrote: post #100
keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

It's a pretty bad drug, I can see only disadvantages over plain amphetamine. If amphetamine isn't strong enough, you already have a serious problem. I'm not saying that criminalization is the right way, just that I don't see a responsible recreational/performance use for methamphetamine. It's too strong and too toxic. The regulation should permit only use for addiction management imho. Also, the long history is not e…

> It's a pretty bad drug, I can see only disadvantages over plain amphetamine.

The main "advantage" is probably the smoking RoA of methamphetamine. The RoA difference is likely a larger factor in methamphetamine vs plain amphetamine effects than the pharmacology of the molecule.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by balamatom »

bhotka wrote: post #75
ghthor wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chronic Back pain is correlated with emotional trauma. The physical body is a mere projection of the energetic and spiritual being. This is wahy meditative spiritual practices such as yoga and taiji are good for chronic pain, as the physical pain is a mere projection of a deeper trauma that needs released.

how does my spiritual wellness affect the mechanical structure of my lower back?

By directing your attention towards, or away from, physical phenomena that mechanically affect your lower back: overexertion, underexertion, posture, nutrient intake, crowd...

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Post by gaiagraphia »

keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

I've bounced between viewpoints so many times in life regarding legalisation of drugs. It's a fascinating argument.

Something which has always grounded my beliefs is the comparison to alcohol.

Imagine we walked into bars and were presented with unmarked bottle of clear liquid, and had to order "1 alcohol, please!", where the alcohol % and quality of the drink was totally random. It'd be fucking chaos.

I think I've settled on the "drugs should be legal" but heeavvviillyyy regulated and marked. I wouldn't mind going to a bar and ordering a very weak MDMA drink, or going to a shisha cafe with weakened opium, weed, crack, etc.

Also, it seems the way drugs are punished criminally is totally wrong. Why not lock people up for false advertising rather than 'strength'? I.e if you're heavily cutting drugs, you should be strung up for manslaughter. It would put pressure on the manufacturers to label and regulate themselves.

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Post by ptrl600 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #164
ptrl600 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Losing 5 pounds a month, 20 down and 10 to go.

Do I understand correctly that you're using it as an appetite suppressant? How effective has it been for you? Particularly considering that you're already drinking coffee and I would have expected caffeine to have the stronger effect there. Also out of curiosity why not go with one of the new peptides?

Works well enough that 1800 cals a day satiates. Caffeine on its own doesn't cut it.

I'm scared of intestinal motility sides from GLPs.

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