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I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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"I've been distro-hopping for probably twenty years. Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Arch, and most recently Fedora with KDE Plasma." Missing : good old debian :)

The only one with a non buggy installer that can actually do LUKS with LVM as a first class citizen

Install anything KDE if you enjoy the welcome screen crashing and random Plasma crashes :) Particular shout out to Kubuntu for the awful installer

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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The idea that Windows doesn't have it's own weird, mysterious, issues is hilarious to me. For months my windows 10 install would take nearly 5 minutes to start up after a full shutdown sequence. This was with the install on a fast SSD. I tried a whole bunch of things and never figured out what the issue was. Then, one day, it just....went away. I'm not trying to make much of a point other than that: anecdotes aren't…

I switched to Linux again because on this PC Windows suddenly just doesn't run stable anymore. Even a complete reinstall didn't fix it, I assume it is some driver issue or something like that. It took me a while to convince myself it wasn't a hardware defect. I had very frequent single tab crashes in any browser I used. And regular bluescreens, sometimes multiple a day. But it runs entirely stable on a parallel Ubunt…

It's funny that Windows is well known for the "BSOD", to the point it became a meme in itself.

The BSOD where the computer shits itself so much, that it gives you a nonsensical "error", which you have to use another machine to look up. Or if you want to deep-dive, you have to use 3rd party software to deal with.

Meanwhile a Linux Kernel Panic will dump out (while very technical) everything it knew at that moment...

And things like memory errors are picked up, and you can test your memory, BY STANDARD

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For months my windows 10 install would take nearly 5 minutes to start up after a full shutdown sequence. I know you're not asking for tech support here, but I wanted to share that a friend's laptop was doing this, and the problem turned out to be a massive amount of files in %TEMP%. So many that I had to write a little PowerShell script to remove them all.

Historically, when my Windows was getting slow first thing I'd empty the thrash. Often it was the answer.

Which in the grand scheme of things, shouldn't "slow down" a system. But this is Windows where it burns IO for no reason

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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The idea that Windows doesn't have it's own weird, mysterious, issues is hilarious to me. For months my windows 10 install would take nearly 5 minutes to start up after a full shutdown sequence. This was with the install on a fast SSD. I tried a whole bunch of things and never figured out what the issue was. Then, one day, it just....went away. I'm not trying to make much of a point other than that: anecdotes aren't…

I'm glad it wasn't just me... the nice thing about those mysterious issues on Linux is usually you can actually fix the issue. With Windows I needed a hacky solution just to move the stupid taskbar, or wait for Microsoft to fix it.

And diagnose too, without having a "USB of tools", like the types on LTT talk about all the time.

Mysterious binaries from shady websites, great.

I can attach a debugger to a process, I can look at the CPU/IO/Network transactions. I can see where stuff is waiting and being blocked by any of them, all with basic GNU tooling that comes with every distro, even the most minimal!

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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post #76

The idea that Windows doesn't have it's own weird, mysterious, issues is hilarious to me. For months my windows 10 install would take nearly 5 minutes to start up after a full shutdown sequence. This was with the install on a fast SSD. I tried a whole bunch of things and never figured out what the issue was. Then, one day, it just....went away. I'm not trying to make much of a point other than that: anecdotes aren't…

Haven’t used Windows in a while, but I remember hating the seemingly completely random “restarting in 5 minutes for a system update.” Usually at the least-opportune time

We're forced onto Windows at my employer (mostly for MDM/management reasons) and yeah, every time we're doing something, or in a meeting. Someone will drop because it want's to reboot.

I get "You need to reboot for these Dell Updates" daily...

Meanwhile in Linux world, you can switch out the entire kernel live...

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Linux is a learning experience. You will inevitably face and solve numerous problems over time, but every time you do, you come out of it understanding what's going on under the hood a little more. Still, it can be dreadful to face even small issues when you only feel like using your computer and not fixing it. Having an LLM agent help with fixing issues is a lifesaver. Ask it what you don't understand, take no…

> Using Linux is a learning experience. Do you think that Windows *isn't* a learning experience?

As someone who's done the whole Helpdesk -> Sysadmin stuff, working around other "Windows Admins" they don't learn much, all they know is "Deleting this thing seemed to fix" "Reboot". They don't get any of the fundamentals of what caused an issue, or how to diagnose them properly.

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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post #11

Linux friction is “unpredictable” but windows friction isn’t, because you have a lot of windows experience and not much in Linux. I don’t think you’d feel the same after a few months of Linux.

30 years of Linux here. Windows issues are easier to fix as they are usually consistently broken and well documented due to the huge user ase.

In zero way is that true, vast majority of Windows "fixes" aren't even that.

MS's own documentation is incredibly lacking in actual resolution to problems, just always shifting or work arounds.

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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I think the web page delayed loading is often server-side these days trying to detect bots. Especially with a dynamic IP.... You'll generally be fine after that first detection flags you as human. Also this seems to affect firefox moreso than some other browsers, but that's subjective.

Also, if you're familiar with sysinternals suite for Windows there's a Linux equivalent to all the tools with nice GUIs. So you should be able to track down most process-caused performance issues fairly easily without knowing all the appropriate CLI commands.

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30 years of Linux here. Windows issues are easier to fix as they are usually consistently broken and well documented due to the huge user ase.

Only a little over 20 years of Linux experience here. A few years ago, I daily drove Windows for work after not touching it for a decade. There were way more unsolvable riddles in that year on Windows than in my lifetime of desktop Linux usage. And no one else at the company really knew how to dig into their Windows systems, either; the mysteries I solved were all things I had to solve myself. IME Windows people actu…

Thank you! This is exactly my position too.

I came through with Windows certs, but had always been a Linux guy, and now work entirely with Linux. Windows people don't actually solve problems, hence the joke about "Turn it off and on again", making it into mainstream.

You will very rarely see a Windows person open up a debugger, unless they're an actual developer. Meanwhile on Linux you can peek inside the process that's hanging and see what it's borked on.

Oh no, the NFS mount has dropped and the process is stuck trying to read it!

Oh no, reboot

Re: I love Linux, but I can't quit Windows

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Using Fedora for years, but not on workstation. Because of Adobe, the only reson that I stick with Windows LTSC IoT. And no, Gimp is not alternative. Neither Affinity, bucause lack of linux support. Or Capture One. Only DaVinci resolve is competition to Premiere because of linux support. I'm curious if Adobe ends because of unsustainable pricing models and aggressive terms of use (no offline more than week, constant…

PhotoPea works in any browser on any platform.

Also you might prefer gimpshop(or whatever the latest PS-ified gimp is these days), as the default hotkeys in gimp are shit. Ctrl, shift, and alt have universal contexts beyond Adobe products that gimp completely ignores.

Just like Macs and the stupid command button. And don't even think of remapping, say the clipboard, to use Ctrl. Many apps just won't honor it. Because that would just make too much sense.

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