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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Daishiman »

dakolli wrote: post #472
vividfrier wrote: post #440

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Anthropic/OpenAI have been flooding this site with pro "AI" bots the last few weeks, this is for sure a pro-AI bot or employee from an "AI" company.

It may be the case. I've been around in the industry for 25 years and I barely code. I babysit multiple instances of Claude and we were very purposeful and deliberate in altering our workflows for it; we made our local dev environments capable of spinning up multiple instances to work from parallel worktrees. We added MCP servers to let LLMs observe our CI, Jira and deployments.

Most of our time is spent doing spec work, planning, and injecting the proper context into LLMs. Like the OP, our metrics have drastically improved the time for delivery of new features, slightly improved bug resolution times, and now we're bottlenecked by needing more code review and manual QA to handle the workload.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by dubeye »

solid_fuel wrote: post #338
dubeye wrote: post #206

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the reality is my business continues to operate at higher efficiency, even with the bugs. i don't think it's 'our side' that has the psychosis.

Oh, well, if it makes you money right now, it couldn't possibly be wrong or detrimental long term. Glad we settled that debate.

The code is less buggy , on average. You're overestimating the average developer.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by ycombinary »

jgraettinger1 wrote: post #465
zarzavat wrote: post #455

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Some programmers are gardeners. It sounds like you're one too. Your job is to maintain a large existing codebase. You probably didn't understand the entire codebase before AI, nobody did, so it doesn't matter that you don't understand it now. AI is very good at gardening, nobody doubts that. Other programmers are painters. Their job is to start with a blank canvas and create something that others will value. When AI…

The right metaphor isn't painting, though, it's molding clay. That first pass is slop, but it's raw clay that the agent is very good at molding given a modicum of direction and "not this, do that" comments. The combined first-pass and reshaping time is still far less than writing by hand from scratch. And increasingly, that first pass is ... not bad?

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by dakolli »

Falimonda wrote: post #130
miek wrote: post #18

My very large employer has always been glacially slow on modernization and tech adoption. It may now, oddly enough, become a competitive advantage.

Spoiler: it's not

No offense, but if you think your using AI in the development and design of your site, voxos.ai , gave you a competitive advantage it didn't. I can instantly tell when someone used an LLM to build their whole site and lets just say... Its not a good thing.

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Post by hansmayer »

cstrahan wrote: post #466
sph wrote: post #444

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That seems like an odd way to interpret what they wrote. Imagine old school machinists saying to a CNC machinist “Ha! See, maybe you don’t jog the axes manually, but you still have to be involved in placing the stock material, and you have to do the CAD/CAM work - so did it really machine the part for you? No!” AI is a tool like any other. It has its limitations. It has classes of problems that it is suited to handle…

There is a reason why such discussions about CNC machines never happened. I wonder what it cculd be? Becausw their output is better than man-made atuff? Because they are reliable? Because their manufacturers generally don't lie?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by throwaway2037 »

vividfrier wrote: post #440

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I believe your anecdote. I am also agree with what you wrote below: "Tautologically, it’s mature enough for what it is mature enough for"

What programming language are you using? It seems like some programming languages are more mature in LLMs, e.g., Python, Java, C#, maybe Golang. (Oh yeah, and definitely JavaScript/TypeScript.) Rust, Zig, C++: I have a harder time believing you can manage a large project using only an LLM to write code.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Daishiman »

skydhash wrote: post #458
suzzer99 wrote: post #376

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I’ve had to do a ton of SQL stuff lately, which I haven’t really worked with since the late 90s. ChatGPT has been a godsend, not just for me, but for our only coworker who knows SQL well, whom I’d probably be bugging several times a day at my wits’ end. But no one cares about those kinds of productivity gains. Just the ones that will completely replace us.

I'm always amazed by those comments. Why couldn't you buy a book on SQL[0], and spend a week on it? Or just go over to YouTube for a refresher? [0]: Like https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/sql-queries-for/9780134...

This is fine for a moderately sized query. When your queries start taking in 8 joins and 20 fields per table because you're running queries on Presto with 5 TB of data, not only is it drastically better at writing (because it doesn't mess up the fields), you can ask it to try the query 5 different ways to help you land on the most optimal.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by dakolli »

Falimonda wrote: post #165
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #161

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It is absolutely going to be a competitive advantage if it isn't already. When your competitors' products suck because they are using LLMs to write them, and yours work because you aren't, customers notice.

That assumes there's no way to use LLMs in a productive manner

Every power user of LLMs thinks that they are the ones that know how to hold it correctly, in reality they usually have major Dunning Kruger and are convinced they're living in some hyper productivity mode when actually they're all just copying each other making low effort slop that all sounds the same, looks the same and does the same things.
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