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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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People are often skeptical when I say this, but there's simply no guarantee that it's possible in principle to clean up a bad architecture. If your system is "overfitted" to 10,000 requirements from 1,000 customers, it may be impossible to satisfy requirements 10,001 through 10,100 without starting over from scratch.

It may be difficult, but impossible is such a big word to use here

It's really not that big of a word. The CAP theorem shows that as few as three reasonable-sounding requirements with no obvious conflicts can be impossible to satisfy simultaneously. (User needs will start more flexible than strict mathematical requirements, of course, but once people start to build production workloads on top of your systems that flexibility is radically reduced.)

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about companies and people outsourcing their decision making and thinking to AI and not really about using AI itself. I don't think using AI to write code is AI psychosis or bad at all, but if you just prompt the AI and believe what it tell you then you have AI psychosis. You see this a lot with financial people and VC on twitter. They literally post screenshots of ChatGPT as their thinki…

when you outsource thinking to AI, you get that magical speed up. the agent is making decisions for you, so things move at agent speed. it often makes decisions without telling you, and the final "here's the plan" output often requires you to understand the problem at great depth, which requires return to human speed, so you skim and just approve. the trick is to be mindful, aware, and deliberate about what decisions…

> find ways to let the agent make the boring decisions, like how to loop over some array, or how to adapt the output of one call into the input of another.

Those kind of advice ultimately don't matter. If you're familiar with a programming project, you'll also be familiar with the constructs and API so looping over an array or mapping some data is obvious. Just like you needn't read to a dictionary to write "Thank you", you just write it.

And if you're not, ultimately you need to verify the doc for the contract of some function or the lifecycle of some object to have any guaranty that the software will do what you want to do. And after a few day of doing that, you'll then be familiar with the constructs.

> make the real decisions ahead of time. encode them into specs. define boundaries, apis, key data structures. identify systems and responsibilities. explicitly enumerate error handling. set hard constraints around security and PII.

The only way to do that is if you have implemented the algorithm before and now are redoing for some reason (instead of using the previous project). If you compare nice specs like the ietf RFCs and the USB standards and their implementation in OS like FreeBSD, you will see that implementation has often no resemblance to how it's described. The spec is important, but getting a consistent implementation based on it is hard work too.

That consistency is hard to get right without getting involved in the details. Because it's ultimately about fine grained control.

If there's one thing I know about users is that they're never certain about whatever they've produced.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I'm going through a mixed experience regarding this, personally. Management is really pushing AI. It's obnoxious, and their idea on how it fits into my team's job specifically is completely, hilariously detached from reality. On the off chance someone says something reasonable, unless it fits the mold, it's immediately discarded. The mold being "spec driven development". We're not even a product team for crying out l…

What's the matter with spec driven development? It probably carries derisk IP benefits

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I do not believe 'AI psychosis' is an actual thing.

It is https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.pn.2025.10.10....

That's a study. I can link you studies that say violent video games cause aggression, that porn causes rape, etc. Studies are products of the biases of the researchers.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Risk aversion is a tradeoff, not always a weakness.

The people using the LLMs are the risk, not the LLMs themselves

Frankly, if you think this, why do you think you're special? If people using LLMs are bad, how are you not also subject to the same issues they are?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field. Right know, prompters are setting up whole company infrastructure. I personally know one. He migrated the companies database to a newer Postgres version. He was successful in the end, but I was gnawing my teeth when he described every step of the process. It sounded like "And then, I poured gasoline on the servers while smoking a cigarette.…

> Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field.

Oh man, I think you may have touched the third rail here.

My first job out of high school was as an AutoCAD/network admin at a large Civil & Structural firm. I later got further into tech, but after my initial experience with real Engineering, "software engineering" always made my eyes roll. Without real enforced standards, without consequences, it's been vibe engineering the whole time.

In Civil, Structural, and many other fields, Engineers have a path to Professional Engineer. That PE stamp means that you suffer actual legal consequences if you are found guilty of gross negligence in your field. This is why Engineering firms are a collective of actual Professional Engineer partners, and not your average corporate structure.

The issue is that in software dev, we move fast, SOC2 is screenshot theater, and actual Engineering would slow things way down. But, now that coding is fast, maybe you are correct! Maybe vibe coding is the forcing function for actual Software Engineering!

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edit: I just searched to see if my comment was correct, and it turns out that Software PE was attempted! It was discontinued due to low participation.

> NCEES will discontinue the Principles and Practice of Engineering (PE) Software Engineering exam after the April 2019 exam administration. Since the original offering in 2013, the exam has been administered five times, with a total population of 81 candidates.

https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I think AI rescue consulting is going to be come a significant mode of high value consulting, similar to specialists who come in to try and deal with a security breach or do data recovery. Purely AI written systems will scale to a point of complexity that no human can ever understand and the defect close rate will taper down and the token burn per defect rate scale up and eventually AI changes will cause on average m…

My current business plan!

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.pn.2025.10.10....

That's a study. I can link you studies that say violent video games cause aggression, that porn causes rape, etc. Studies are products of the biases of the researchers.

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #113

I think AI rescue consulting is going to be come a significant mode of high value consulting, similar to specialists who come in to try and deal with a security breach or do data recovery. Purely AI written systems will scale to a point of complexity that no human can ever understand and the defect close rate will taper down and the token burn per defect rate scale up and eventually AI changes will cause on average m…

We already know them but everyone is busy throwing them in the trash. It’s all gas and no breaks or handling right now.
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