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Palantir has hired more than 30 senior UK Government officials

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You realize what happens if we dont have killy stuff right? We get killed.

Who is "we"? Who is the boogyman and who are the potential victims?

That's the beauty of it, it doesn't matter who the boogeyman is and who the victim is.

Would you tell Palestinians to stop working on 'killy stuff' for moral/ethical reasons?

Re: Palantir has hired more than 30 senior UK Government officials

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The "revolving door" spoken of here isn't quite as simple as it looks. Granted there are problems at "senior government level" but that is rare . I worked for UK government for a few years. Then I went to the private sector. This happens a lot. Most of people who do, me included, it's because the public sector is so deep in incompetence and stupid politics that it is soul-crushing. Also to get anywhere you tend to ha…

The boring reality doesn’t get as many clicks

The boring reality is that you can bribe a civil servant with £5k in the UK. They are remarkably cheap.

Whether the civil service is a shit place to work or not (it is), there should be a recognition of the fact that the government still controls a large budget. Whilst MPs are scrutinised quite heavily, that same scrutiny is generally not extended to civil servants (because they make the rules). The number of senior civil servants who have been bent beyond belief is long (Heywood, Sedwill is still being put forward jobs even though he has been selling access to the government...it is incredible).

Re: Palantir has hired more than 30 senior UK Government officials

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A friend of mine recently got headhunted by a "defense" company called, and I won't even post the link, it's a website which sounds a bit like Van Helsing with some AI thrown in as a twist. He got an offer of 50k EUR more than his current already ridiculous salary. I had to say that it's up to you, but don't expect me to still be your friend and still talk to you if you go for that. "defense"

Friends who give ultimatums like this are usually toxic and worth ditching. Your friend would be better off cutting you off now, regardless of what they decide about the job, than continuing to associate with someone who'd emotionally manipulate them over a career choice. Healthy relationships simply don't look like this, and dressing it up as principle doesn't change what it actually is.

The fact that this feels like a normal thing to say to a friend tells on you a bit. Get out more, spend time with people who don't already share your priors, and the certainty starts to sand down on its own. Threatening your friendships over someone else's career is not the moral high ground, it's just an ugly way to treat people. Humility is understanding you can be wrong about things even when you're certain you're correct.

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Who is "we"? Who is the boogyman and who are the potential victims?

That's the beauty of it, it doesn't matter who the boogeyman is and who the victim is. Would you tell Palestinians to stop working on 'killy stuff' for moral/ethical reasons?

No. But I would tell anyone involved in a genocide to. In my opinion that now includes the US and UK.

Others will have different opinions, obviously, but this is mine.

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That's the beauty of it, it doesn't matter who the boogeyman is and who the victim is. Would you tell Palestinians to stop working on 'killy stuff' for moral/ethical reasons?

No. But I would tell anyone involved in a genocide to. In my opinion that now includes the US and UK. Others will have different opinions, obviously, but this is mine.

Great, that is not an uncommon stance. Respectable in my opinion.

Now, cutting friends and family off over something this just means you do not want to tolerate people with differing views and opinions on this.

It's more about the side you are on rather than some abstract moral argument against working for companies tangentially related to the defense sector.

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Because society functions a lot better when it has people in it who like each other.

Homogeny is not good for society.

Nothing I said has anything to do with homogeneity.

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A friend of mine recently got headhunted by a "defense" company called, and I won't even post the link, it's a website which sounds a bit like Van Helsing with some AI thrown in as a twist. He got an offer of 50k EUR more than his current already ridiculous salary. I had to say that it's up to you, but don't expect me to still be your friend and still talk to you if you go for that. "defense"

Shows the value of your friendship.

I think so too :)

Friends have to be honest with each other. Friends don't let friends become fascist!

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Shows the value of your friendship.

Why do people in this thread detest that a pacifist with conviction exists? I’m not like them, and nobody is telling you to be like them. But having people like that in a population is important lest we become drunk on our ability to destroy our enemies.

I'm fine with there being pacifist. What makes you think I'm opposed them?

What this person is arguing is not for pacifism, its an argument that to be their friend you must agree with them on pacifism.

I have my own thoughts and beliefs. My friends have theirs. They arent all the same. Thats how it should be, and thats healthy. Thats diversity. This "you're dead to me if you dont believe what I believe" culture is idiotic and is not inclusive at all.

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