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A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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I think it's "don't use parsers written in unsafe languages".

I think it's simpler: don't touch untrusted content unless/until you need to.

That's easy, and already done. Phones only touch untrusted content when they need to, it's just that they need to touch it immediately upon receipt

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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One of the things Apple's Lockdown mode does is disable previews of images or links that are sent to you. It seems like the lesson is that you shouldn't be processing data sent to the device by random strangers without the user explicitly choosing to open the file or follow the link.

That should be the default behavior, not a special lock down option that also disables other features. Why can't they just make it like most email clients? No preview by default, give a banner with an option to explicitly allow a preview for that specific message or conversation?

I tend to agree.

But how does that prevent one from receiving and opening a malicious message?

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Pretty sure the million dollars was not meant seriously. There are plenty of regulated fields in which people still participate, despite various risks of liability. Professional engineers, doctors, every Uber driver in the US, who could potentially be punished for negligent driving while on the job. The point, I think, is that the current level of responsibility for writing bad code is essentially zero, but should pr…

> the current level of responsibility for writing bad code is essentially zero, but should probably be higher for some applications I agree that e.g. working on an OS should require guild-type credentials. But I don't know if most SWEs understand the professional-standards requirements such organisations are empowered to enforce on their members.

I'm generally against credentials, at least any system that would lead to loss of freedoms for hobbyists and small timers.

I guess credential requirements that only applied to specific limited contexts could work. As much as I value individual economic freedom and open competition perhaps (for example) medical, passenger jet, and certain military firmware ought to be written only by thoroughly vetted professionals with extensive track records.

But in general I think personal and corporate liability is probably the better way of going about it. I'd argue the current problems exist almost entirely due to perverse financial incentives.

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Where are the iPhone jailbreaks didn’t see anything since a long time.. what’s happening? Did I miss them or isn’t anything available? I mean props to Apple however they do it but is it a matter of time in regard to the current timeline or what is actually going on?

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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I hope the average person will soon understand the importance of security and will be OK with making the necessary sacrifices to achieve it. Almost everyone has something to protect, be it personal information or property (money, IP).

People love new technologies and features that make their lives easier, but so far only a small subset of these people have made a conscious decision to limit their exposure to risk by depriving themselves of benefits provided by some of these features.

It sure is wonderful to have your whole life digitized on a single computer. You can analyze, share, organize, gamify, record and so on every aspect of your life instantly and effortlessly. It's incredible, really. Technology is amazing. Expect for the pesky bad actors that can do the digital equivalent to most physical crime from the other side of the world anonymously without you noticing.

It's like germs - if you don't wash your hands after touching something questionable and you don't experience any negative consequences, you'll learn not to wash them most of the time. It's just a waste of time. Maybe if you've touched something really gross, you'd wash them, but that would be the exception. Security is the same. If you've been using computers the same way for years, you'll learn nothing bad happens so why bother having a hygiene, why bother making any tradeoffs?

Yes, you've heard the news of someone's nudes posted online, of someone's bank account drained or of some company's files ransomed, but you've also heard of something dying from a brain parasite after touching a muddy puddle and rubbing their eyes afterwards. That happens rarely, we shouldn't worry about it. A car can hit you when you cross the street, a lightning can strike you when you're just walking about, an aneurysm can end you at anytime. No one is washing their hands all the time or constantly trying to minimize the streets they cross or anything like that. That would be foolish and impractical, and I agree.

That mindset is carried over to digital security, sadly. The risks are higher, the effort to keep a good hygiene is lower, the ability for bad actors to completely fuck you is much greater than in meat space. The rewards are seemingly greater, too, until we realize that what we get from technology is just marginally better than what we get without it. Tech is amazing, but it doesn't make us transcend time and space. It let's us organize our schedule, tag people and places in photos and summarize chats. All of that is born out of meat space. Without tech we'd still have conversation, we'd still see new places, we'd still have calendars and todo lists. We get maybe 1% more than we would have if we didn't have any tech but we let all our information and property sit unsecured for that 1% gain. That's fucked up, because the risks are big and will get bigger. And the tradeoffs we have to make to secure our digital lives may seem annoying, but are actually quite trivial. Less unnecessary sharing, more isolation and compartmentalization, different computers for different tasks, less proprietary hardware and software, etc.. We could get 90% of that 1% benefit from tech if we spend just a bit of time and energy of securing out digital lives. But fuck it. Let's but the latest flagship, let's use it for ID, banking, communication, file storage, camera, health tracking, everything. Because it's a tiny bit more inconvenient to get multiple computers for different purposes, to not get the latest and newest, to not install a bunch of unnecessary shit, to be careful about the digital realm at all.

Not really on topic, but a rant. I'm tired of people (friends and friends of friends) complaining to me that they got majorly fucked one way or another and acting like the universe owes them not to get fucked while they buy a computer that exposes their asshole to the world.

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Even that's not sufficient. Consider an email client that doesn't parse images until you interact with the message. So you click on it, realize it's dodgy, but it's too late now because all the complex bug prone machinery has already been triggered. Or my favorite, I marked an extremely suspicious message with what was almost certainly a malicious attachment as junk in a certain BigTech webmail client (the only other…

The email client I use doesn't display images in an email until I explicitly ask it to.

That has no bearing on the points made in the comment you replied to.

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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> Haven't we learned our lesson on this? What is the purported lesson we should have learned? Users choose phones with rich messaging features. This was a major selling point for iPhone, first, with iMessage, and later with Android until iOS caught up with RCS.

Where are users being given an actual choice? There is no option for "iphone without these features", and I would wager that it has 0 bearing on anyone's decision to purchase a new iphone

There is a choice, but almost nobody uses it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/105120

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Where are the iPhone jailbreaks didn’t see anything since a long time.. what’s happening? Did I miss them or isn’t anything available? I mean props to Apple however they do it but is it a matter of time in regard to the current timeline or what is actually going on?

Apple's security posture with lockdown mode, memory tagging, and secure allocators is significantly better than Android. You can read some about it here: https://security.apple.com/blog/memory-integrity-enforcement...

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Android vendors have been notorious about updates for a long time. Part of that is supposedly because all of the phone companies want to distinguish themselves from each other, and so they all want to fork the default Android UI so they can offer some psychedelic UI vision with some brand-specific features. But that means that when an update to stock Android comes out, it's a lot of work to migrate.

I don't think Android UI customization is the main issue. Many vendors are not even able to keep device firmware and Linux kernels in sync. Qualcomm and others are doing monthly bulletins: https://docs.qualcomm.com/securitybulletin/may-2026-bulletin... Since a lot of vendors are months or even years behind, their phones are full of known holes. When it comes to security, basically: GrapheneOS > iOS > PixelOS >> Samsu…

How is GrapheneOS able to get around the issue of SoC firmware blobs being slow to roll out?

Re: A 0-click exploit chain for the Pixel 10

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Not sure how much it helps, but I just run all my Apple devices in "Lockdown mode", don't install apps (use Safari), and try to mostly use Safari in private sandboxed mode.

This makes sense if you’re a human-rights journalist working in a dangerous country, with the threat of state-level actors looking to compromise you. If you’re not then this seems quite paranoid, bordering on LARPing.

I turned it on a week ago to see what it was like. I expected it to be significantly annoying, but I found basically nothing changed other than a bit of text in safari that says it's in lockdown mode. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to to tell the modes apart. I was expecting the browser to be slower without JIT or use more battery but I haven't noticed any change, it's all still snappy.

Apple over hypes the "you need to be in significant danger" part. Basically anyone can turn this on and it's fine. The UX seems mostly exactly the same either way.

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