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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by hansmayer »

woeirua wrote: post #13
weinzierl wrote: post #4

"its fine to ship bugs because the agents will fix them so quickly and at a scale humans can't do!" Hmm, I agree with the point OP is making, but I'm not so sure this is the best supporting argument. The bottleneck is finding the bugs and if he'd criticized people saying AI will be the panacea to that I'd be with him, but people saying agents are fast and good at fixing human found bugs is nothing I'd object to. Agen…

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> won’t concede until you can just ask Codex or Opus “find and fix all the bugs in this

But this is just holding the Slop Companies to the standard they declared themselves! Just recently, the CEO of OpenAI babbled some nonsense on twitter about how he hands over tasks to Codex who according to him, finishes them flawlessly while he is playing with his kid outside.

> but soon we will be.

Ah yes, in the 3-6 months, right? This time next year Rodney, we'll be millionaires!

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Post by kevinsync »

leeoniya wrote: post #16

> "no no, it has full test coverage" i don't have enough fingers (and toes) to count how many times i've demonstrated that "100% coverage" is almost universally bullshit.

Codex is freakin hot-to-trot to churn out test coverage for every single thing it implements, and some of it is very esoteric and highly prescriptive (regexes for days) BUT .. after a while, it dawned on me that LLM-driven test coverage is less about proving “code correctness” (you’re better off writing those tests yourself alongside them), and more about just trying to ensure that whatever gets bolted on stays bolted on. For better or worse, obviously, since if you bolt on trash, trash you shall have.

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Post by ares623 »

tacostakohashi wrote: post #6

"no no, it has full test coverage" at least at my BigCo, AI is being used for everything - writing slop, writing tests, code reviews, etc. it would make sense to use AI for writing code, but human code review. or, human code, but AI test cases... or whatever combination of cross-checking, trust-but-verify, human in the loop, etc. people prefer. i think once it gets used for everything , people have lost the plot, it'…

I was rewatching Rich Hickey's "Simple Made Easy" talk (as one does) and there was a great line about full test coverage.

"What's true about all bugs in production? (pause for dramatic effect) They all passed the tests!" (well, he said typechecker but I think the point stands)

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Barrin92 »

miek wrote: post #18

My very large employer has always been glacially slow on modernization and tech adoption. It may now, oddly enough, become a competitive advantage.

yes, I was never so happy to work in Germany. People used to joke about the proverbial fax machine still being a thing but I've never been so glad to work in a culture where this mania doesn't exist. Reading HN is like entering Alice's Wonderland of token maxxers and AI psychotics. Genuinely don't know a single person here who is forced to work like this.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by impulser_ »

I'm pretty sure he's talking about companies and people outsourcing their decision making and thinking to AI and not really about using AI itself.

I don't think using AI to write code is AI psychosis or bad at all, but if you just prompt the AI and believe what it tell you then you have AI psychosis. You see this a lot with financial people and VC on twitter. They literally post screenshots of ChatGPT as their thinking and reasoning about the topic instead of just doing a little bit of thinking themselves.

These things are dog shit when it comes to ideas, thinking, or providing advice because they are pattern matchers they are just going to give you the pattern they see. Most people see this if you just try to talk to it about an idea. They often just spit out the most generic dog shit.

This however it pretty useful for certain tasks were pattern matching is actually beneficial like writing code, but again you just can't let it do the thinking and decision making.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by hansmayer »

9dev wrote: post #31
woeirua wrote: post #17

This doesn’t constitute AI psychosis. His argument is that we need to retain understanding of the systems we use, but there’s no compelling argument as to why that is the case. (I get that people are going to be offended by that statement, but agents are already better than the average software engineer. I don’t see why we need to fight this, except for economic insecurity caused by mass layoffs.) It all just feels l…

If you want to draw that line of argument - it's more like horse riders being convinced to give up their horses in favour of trains: You're travelling faster, don't have to navigate yourself, or think about every boulder on the way; but there are destinations you can't go, overcrowded trains slowing down the journey, hefty ticket prices, and instead of enjoying the freedom, you're degraded to a passive passenger.

Very funny, this. Did we need forward deployed engineers to convince people that they absolutely need to use the trains in order to "not be left behind"? Or otherwise hype? Or was it sort of obvious and did not need to explained so much - like a bad joke called LLMs ?
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