Only a few years ago, i would have used this and donated some bucks for the effort. But apple silicon has made x86 laptops irrelevant, and i haven't owned a desktop in decades. Sad, since windows 7 is the second-best looking OS i've ever used (windows 2000 being first and macos 10.4 being third)
Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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I think you'll need to slowly make peace with the fact that people don't want their work stolen by AIs.
You don't need to make peace with it. You have no obligation to accept a greater risk of malware than before. If anything, you should be more cautious because AI helps attackers. (We don't actually know if this has anything to do with AI training.)
Noone owes you free software at your requirements :)
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Same here, Windows 2000 is peak UI, I never liked the Frutiger Aero aesthetics. My only criticism is that it was, in a sense, too successful and elements like the taskbar and start menu got ossified and the design stagnated. Apple's F3 show all windows, F4 spotlight is far better. Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10. I guess I like the design language but I wouldn't be prepared to give back the…
Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10. I believe that it has always supported multiple desktops since the introduction of the NT kernel. There just wasn't any UI provided in the OS for switching. I used a Microsoft PowerToy to switch between desktops, I think all the way back to NT 4.0.
> I used a Microsoft PowerToy to switch between desktops, I think all the way back to NT 4.0.
Sure, yes, me too. And there were 3rd party add-ons like 9Desks:
https://www.hexagora.com/en_dw_9desks.asp
But the thing is that they were significantly crippled, because the OS didn't know about them. So there was no way to move a window from one vdesktop to another.
And for me, that is perhaps the principle use case. I start some app, realise it will take ages, so I move it aside to a vdesktop so it can keep working but doesn't get in my way.
Without that functionality then you need to plan ahead, and you simply cannot always do that. My go-to example made me about £150. A non-techie consultancy client of mine ran Office XP. He wanted the service pack. MS offered it on CD, as it was back when broadband internet was very new.
So when he got it, I went there and installed it for him.
Step 1: it's a CD. It's only about 25% full. Microsoft, in its infinite idiocy, makes step 1 of the installer to copy the compressed files to hard disk, and then decompress them.
IT IS ON A CD. Why ship them compressed at all? Because some idiot of a manager stuck the download version on a CD and didn't think to ship the decompressed files when on a medium with the space.
Second, once decompressed, it starts to install. A progress bar gets to the end... and then resets to the start again.
SEVEN TIMES.
You know the real reason progress bars disappeared, replaced by throbbers? Because of poorly-implemented crap like this: programmers found they were too much like hard work.
I sat there and watched the damned thing work for an hour and 45 minutes, and I charged my client for it, because that was my job and my living.
You do not always know if running a tool is going to take 2 minutes or 2 hours. You can't always pre-plan and think "this will take ages so I will start it on a secondary vdesktop where it will be out of the way, and I will flip screens and check occasionally."
You don't know. You can't know. And so you need the ability to move something out of the way.
Secondly, because these things were hacks, some programs insist on only running on the "real" primary display. Some will open there even if you're on a vdesktop when you run them. Sometimes you run it 2 or 3 times because you have no sign this is happening -- the OS can't flip you back because this is outside of OS control.
Yes it was there. Yes it worked in a minimal sense. No, it often was not much use at all.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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They were developed by completely different teams. As an aside - as someone who used ME back in the day, I feel like I honestly had more problems with Vista. ME was a downgrade from 98SE for sure, but I don't remember it being the same level of performance and reliability degradation that I saw going from XP to Vista pre-SP2.
Vista was an absolute dumpster fire but in no way compares to the awfulness of ME.
The whole reason I responded to you was because you said "Millennium/2000"
Millennium _was_ Windows ME, millennium edition. Windows 2000 was completely different. :)
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Windows 2000 was such a major improvement over NT4 and of course 9x that yes, you're right, it was awesome, but it still had issues and in terms of device drivers future versions brought a lot of things that improved overall stability. I think the best benefit of Windows 2000 was that the GUI was extremely coherent. Even in Windows 11 for some sub menu and options you sometimes have a Windows 2000 UI popping up out o…
26 years. You'd think they could update and unify the UI in 26 years. But they would have to care first.
I think it's a backward compatibility problem.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
#166There’s also VxKex-NEXT[0] which adds the very few API calls W10 introduced to a Windows 7 to make it mostly compatible with W10 apps.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Frutiger Aero was never called like that. It was just a non-copycat gloss theme cleraly inspired from OSX' Aqua design. Even KDE3 did that for some time (Everaldo/Crystal icons, Keramik...) were rounded, glossy designs were hip and transparencies with XRender were everywere. Both desktops tried to create someting shiny without being too close to Mac OS X. TBH KDE has better themes like the Slick icon set and plain bu…
> Frutiger Aero was never called like that. Indeed, the term "Frutiger Aero" was not really used among geeks in this time; I had to look up Wikipedia to get its precise meaning: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_Aero On the other hand, basically everybody who had an opinion about Windows's design used the official terms - Windows XP: Luna ; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_visual_styles - Windows V…
In case of KDE3 Slick icons and the .Net theme, you can try it under almost any distro (and BSD) with Trinity Desktop.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Everything is an absolute gem. I literally cannot survive on the work computer without it. At home on Linux, this is one of things (probably the only one even) I really missed from Windows.
Have you seen FSearch? https://github.com/cboxdoerfer/fsearch It's quite similar to Everything. Btw, there's also fooyin which you may say is "modeled" after foobar2000 https://github.com/fooyin/fooyin - another piece I miss from Windows.
Ah yes, FSearch is what I'm using right now. Although, correct me if I'm wrong, it relied on a search database and is slower? I remember reading somewhere that Everything is so quick because of NTFS - not sure about the technical details, though.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
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Now you can hit the Windows key, type Visual Studio and open a Bing search for Visual Studio, instead of actually opening VS. It’s great - if your KPI is bing DAU
I know it should be the default, but if you turn off online searches for the Start Menu, it operates exactly how you'd expect it to on Windows 11. Windows 11 is also a lot faster than 7 was on equivalent systems. Windows 7 would take minutes to boot.
Win11 is dog slow. Even on ssds. Maybe it is linked to the insane number of svchost.exe instances and telemetry processes. Try running Win 11 on a SMR spinning disk.
Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows 2000 was such a major improvement over NT4 and of course 9x that yes, you're right, it was awesome, but it still had issues and in terms of device drivers future versions brought a lot of things that improved overall stability. I think the best benefit of Windows 2000 was that the GUI was extremely coherent. Even in Windows 11 for some sub menu and options you sometimes have a Windows 2000 UI popping up out o…
26 years. You'd think they could update and unify the UI in 26 years. But they would have to care first.
They could, but they change their mind every couple of years. It is a generic problem in SW development. See CADT.