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Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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"Wut" indeed! I was only skimming it anyway, but stopped there. I'm sorry, that paragraph is so effed up, I can't take anything else seriously from this author.

This is too often the problem with stuff about Steve Jobs. People worship him, and credit him with inventing everything. So, even ignoring how thoroughly mangled that quoted section is in every way, now he's the inventor of OOP. Did he also invent a time machine to take OOP back to the 1960s?

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Let's not be overly dramatic about that period. Apple was not days away from going bust. They were months away from filing bankruptcy. They were still a multi-billion dollar company even then. They just had very bad supply chain management. A bunch of old Macs sitting in warehouses not selling and too many people on payroll without any clear objectives. As Steve put it, "the ship was sinking and Gil (D'Amelio) was wo…

>> They just had very bad supply chain management. The crazy thing is Joe O' Sullivan had set out a two month training for Tim Cook to learn the supply side of the company. Cook mastered it in two weeks and O' Sullivan was forced to step down a lot sooner then he anticipated. You could easily say it was Cook, not Jobs that saved the company.

With the utmost respect to Tim Cook, Apple was saved by the iMac, which was designed and built in the year leading up to his hire. Everything after that, though, he certainly deserves more credit for than he gets.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Presumably, the book goes into depth about the folks who actually did the work: - Susan Kare and Keith Ohlfs who did the UI design - Caroline Rose (Author of _Inside Macintosh_) who wrote the documentation - Avie Tevanian (the most heavily recruited CS student at that time w/ job offers from Apple, AT&T, IBM, and Microsoft) who wrote the Mach Micro kernel - Brad J. Cox (author of https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/sho…

I was on the Virtuoso team at Altsys. Until Freehand was murdered by Adobe, there was still a ton of NeXT flavor in it.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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>>the real Steve Jobs without the distortion field A lot of things come in full package, same person putting in the same effort(if not better) in a different place/situation doesn't give the same results. I once worked with a senior engineer/leader at a electronics company who delivered great products/results and ran the shop to literal perfection for like a decade. The company got sold, and he moved on. He was just…

Jobs did pretty well with Pixar and Next. So it seems he was able to do things outside of Apple.

We really should thank Marcia Lucas for agreeing to split up with George.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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I must have missed the bit where Steve Jobs was trying to create “legion” of his offspring, supported far-right parties in Europe and tried to foment civil war in the UK. Guess I’ll have to buy the book

He isn't comparing Jobs to Musk in a general sense, but specifically the way Musk took over Twitter. Not that I agree with the point. But I wouldn't assume the poster thinks Jobs and Musk are similar in a broad sense.

I don’t think that the good guy/bad guy reputation referred to is solely about firing a couple thousand people.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>the real Steve Jobs without the distortion field A lot of things come in full package, same person putting in the same effort(if not better) in a different place/situation doesn't give the same results. I once worked with a senior engineer/leader at a electronics company who delivered great products/results and ran the shop to literal perfection for like a decade. The company got sold, and he moved on. He was just…

Jobs did pretty well with Pixar and Next. So it seems he was able to do things outside of Apple.

If you read books like the one mentioned above, even if biased, you will see that he did not do pretty well with NeXT, it was actually a mess.

Outside the impressive hardware and NeXTSTEP, NeXT was bleeding most of the time, had it not been for a few generous VCs that had Steve Jobs in high regard, NeXT would not have survived until the moment of Apple's acquisition proposal.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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>> They just had very bad supply chain management. The crazy thing is Joe O' Sullivan had set out a two month training for Tim Cook to learn the supply side of the company. Cook mastered it in two weeks and O' Sullivan was forced to step down a lot sooner then he anticipated. You could easily say it was Cook, not Jobs that saved the company.

With the utmost respect to Tim Cook, Apple was saved by the iMac, which was designed and built in the year leading up to his hire. Everything after that, though, he certainly deserves more credit for than he gets.

and gave a gold trophy to the current US president
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