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Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by alt227 »

rcxdude wrote: post #70
alt227 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, for how long? The answers to all the questions seems to be the same. If Bitwarden was sold they could remove all of this free functionality and interoperability with 3rd party clients immediately. Then you could say well Vaultwarden will work with these forked clients, but then you are placing your security into the hands of multiple different open source maintainers and vaultwarden then has nothing to do with…

Sure, but vaultwarden as a system would be entirely usable, I don't think a lot of it is really relying on the bitwarden compatibility for much more than a little convenience.

Useable yes, but trustable? Not without some serious backing and regular auditing from some public security experts.

IMO that fact that the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point. Take that away and Vaultwarden is nothing more than some random back end software that can not really be trusted.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by ryukoposting »

summermusic wrote: post #54

I've paid for Bitwarden for years, but I can come to no other conclusion from all this (CEO all about private equity, severe price hike, scrubbing of core values, hiding the free tier) that it will be sold soon. Time to jump ship!

Yup. But, where to?

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by pigeons »

542458 wrote: post #14
Cyan488 wrote: post #9

I stopped endorsing closed-source software to friends and family years ago, because you can't trust the companies behind them not to quietly change directions. Years ago I used a free workout app that I really liked. After a few months of using it I recommended it to friends. I only much later found out that I was on a grandfathered version of the free plan without ads or restrictions. The company had made changes to…

Bitwarden is open-source though? This is about the hosted version of it, which has a free tier. But you can run the same software on your server at home if you want, for free. (That said, I am also concerned about the direction Bitwarden is taking. I just think this shows that even OSS projects can have direction/rugpull issues.)

The server is only recently free, if indeed it is at all. I don't remember when or if that changed, because for most of its life it was definitely not free (open source).

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by iosjunkie »

ryukoposting wrote: post #73
summermusic wrote: post #54

I've paid for Bitwarden for years, but I can come to no other conclusion from all this (CEO all about private equity, severe price hike, scrubbing of core values, hiding the free tier) that it will be sold soon. Time to jump ship!

Yup. But, where to?

Brb vibe coding a replacement /s

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by troyvit »

nacs wrote: post #61
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #12

Actually, the part of the article that made me prick my ears up was this paragraph: In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working…

This feels like deja-vu with Lastpass. LogMeIn buys Lastpass, multiple massive breaches occur[, people move to Bitwarden].

Did Lastpass have a project like Vaultwarden behind it at the time? I'm hoping against hope that that will keep us with an open vault.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by troyvit »

alt227 wrote: post #71
rcxdude wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but vaultwarden as a system would be entirely usable, I don't think a lot of it is really relying on the bitwarden compatibility for much more than a little convenience.

Useable yes, but trustable? Not without some serious backing and regular auditing from some public security experts. IMO that fact that the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point. Take that away and Vaultwarden is nothing more than some random back end software that can not really be trusted.

> the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point.

I hope that this could be a starting point and not an end-point of Vaultwarden. It has gotten far on the shoulders of the Bitwarden giant. If it forked, would it have a large enough community to continue to carry that trust forward (including building new clients)? How much financial support would they need? Could they find a sponsor? It's a European project -- would the EU help fund it as a data sovereignty push?

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Post by ilvez »

timw4mail wrote: post #64
leosanchez wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you sync between devices?

Syncthing

Lived like this years, never going to look back. Add mobile to the mix and you're screwed with conflicts and manual resolution.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by alt227 »

troyvit wrote: post #77
alt227 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useable yes, but trustable? Not without some serious backing and regular auditing from some public security experts. IMO that fact that the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point. Take that away and Vaultwarden is nothing more than some random back end software that can not really be trusted.

> the existing Vaultwarden system relies on Bitwarden clients and therefore caries Bitwardens secure reputation is its main selling point. I hope that this could be a starting point and not an end-point of Vaultwarden. It has gotten far on the shoulders of the Bitwarden giant. If it forked, would it have a large enough community to continue to carry that trust forward (including building new clients)? How much financ…

Agreed, it would be great to have a fully open source solution, however I would be wary of it until it was audited and backed by secuirty professionals in the field.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by fbd_0100 »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #12

Actually, the part of the article that made me prick my ears up was this paragraph: In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working…

Well, it was nice while it lasted.
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