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Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by nacs »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #12

Actually, the part of the article that made me prick my ears up was this paragraph: In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working…

This feels like deja-vu with Lastpass.

LogMeIn buys Lastpass, multiple massive breaches occur[, people move to Bitwarden].

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by alt227 »

GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #47
alt227 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long after a public sale will Bitwarden clients keep compatible with Vaultwarden? The new owners could put a check in all clients on the first day of ownership if they wanted, and Vaultwarden would immediately be obselete and useless.

I wonder if Bitwarden shit on everyone, how long it would take for Vaultwarden specific clients to appear. A browser extension would be pretty simple, app store apps are a bit more complicated because of the pay-to-play aspects.

The problem is once Vaultwarden clients appear, then Vaultwarden becomes its own complete system and is no longer able to rely on the good reputation of Bitwarden. Plus developing clients for multiple browsers and OSes is a lot more difficult than just keeping a back end up to date.

If they went this path I think I would jump ship to a paid service.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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lern_too_spel wrote: post #52
alt227 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaultwarden relies on the goodwill of Bitwarden to allow it to use its clients for compatibility. I would wager a new owner looking for money would block that pretty soon after buying the company.

The clients are open source. If Bitwarden removes the ability to select the server, people will just fork the clients.

Again, for how long? The answers to all the questions seems to be the same. If Bitwarden was sold they could remove all of this free functionality and interoperability with 3rd party clients immediately.

Then you could say well Vaultwarden will work with these forked clients, but then you are placing your security into the hands of multiple different open source maintainers and vaultwarden then has nothing to do with Bitwarden and becomes some random back end + some random 3rds party clients.

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Post by jabroni_salad »

aborsy wrote: post #49

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My first bitwarden invoice is dated november 2019. My concern here is 'squeeze' type activities that other companies with strong M&A leaderships have brought to their customers. For consumers, loyalty is exploited, not rewarded, and one must be vigilant for signals to jump ship.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by jabroni_salad »

jarofgreen wrote: post #57
baal80spam wrote: post #13

Ah, good old rugpull. Just use KeePass.

Unfortunately that has no team features, and last time I checked they were quite pushy about not adding any - which is totally fair, they know what product they want to make and are sticking to it! But BitWarden has good team features.

If you are referring to an organization rather than a family, have a look at Pleasant Password Server.

Re: Bitwarden scrubs 'Always free' and 'Inclusion' values from its site

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Post by beAbU »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #12

Actually, the part of the article that made me prick my ears up was this paragraph: In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working…

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Post by Cyan488 »

maineldc wrote: post #42
Cyan488 wrote: post #17

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You're right, though the friends and family that I would feel the need to recommend a password manager to aren't the type that would self-host their own servers.

So what would you recommend to your friends and family that need a password manager? Genuinely curious. I pay for a service for my family because I need reliable and easy for my wife and daughter to use it.

I've paid for and recommended Bitwarden. For years it's operated along a stable trajectory. I was confident in its security record. Vaultwarden is an escape hatch I'm in a position to set up for my family as a last resort. Almost any reputable password manager is more secure than reusing the same passwords or storing everything in a note file.

What I stopped doing so frequently could be described as "evangelizing" or "endorsing". I no longer actively tell people that I think they should use X, instead, if someone asks, I say "I use X, and it's worked for me so far".

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Post by rcxdude »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #12

Actually, the part of the article that made me prick my ears up was this paragraph: In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working…

This is what made me and others nervous when they announced a huge investment into the company a few years ago. It was already a good and self-sustaining product, and taking on that investment was just going to create an expectation of returns later down the line, something that was more likely to result in enshittification.

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Post by rcxdude »

alt227 wrote: post #63
lern_too_spel wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clients are open source. If Bitwarden removes the ability to select the server, people will just fork the clients.

Again, for how long? The answers to all the questions seems to be the same. If Bitwarden was sold they could remove all of this free functionality and interoperability with 3rd party clients immediately. Then you could say well Vaultwarden will work with these forked clients, but then you are placing your security into the hands of multiple different open source maintainers and vaultwarden then has nothing to do with…

Sure, but vaultwarden as a system would be entirely usable, I don't think a lot of it is really relying on the bitwarden compatibility for much more than a little convenience.
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