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Can I see the profiler data that shows AddRef/Release being a performance bottleneck?
Yes, learn to use one and point it to a C++ Github project full of shared pointers.
embarrassing
WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
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Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#102I'm stilll shocked that we're reinventining the wheel of things that were solved 20+ years ago, like UIs, and somehow making them massively more resource intensive
It's tempting to look at it that way; but that's being over-reductive. UIs of today are not the UIs of 20 years ago. Users expect much more from today's UIs, and UI toolkits necessarily get more complex as a result in order to deliver on those increased expectations. And if you don't agree, this is Windows we're talking about. Nothing's stopping you from creating your application with Win32 except for the fact that i…
> Users expect much more from today's UI
This is funny. You know, users also want games to be ridden of DRM but I don’t think the big companies cared about that for a long time. Users also want a lot of things that they never got, like a visible scroll bar sometimes.
And since Windows is primarily OEM or enterprise, I don’t know what users are going to do if Microsoft sticks to say Windows 7 UI? Like, uninstalling Windows and switching to Linux? Oh yeah, they are doing that right now.
Sure users want A or B, but that’s not important. What’s important is some idiot VP saw something and decided to push on, and other managers jumped in to grab the pie.
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aside from the start menu no, not really. Windows 8 is the most performant operating system. No laggy animations (thanks to DirectUI), fast boot time, especially fast on older systems. Windows 10 started the whole lagfest.
"aside from the start menu" is one hell of a caveat. When you screw up one of the main UI elements as badly as they did, it really drags the whole experience down.
Well most people just press the Windows key and type to open a program which works exactly the same on Win8. And personally I loved the start screen. And how often do you really need the start menu?
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am sure this was posted so many times before but someone should reverse engineer the windows 8 era windows phones. Those were ridiculously smooth compared to android and ios with just 512mb of ram.
WP was incredibly smooth and they were willing to reinvent UX from first principles in ways that'll to this day make me reach for Sailfish OS if I didn't need physical buttons, but I must bring up the desktop version of Windows from that day. I'll never forget the Asus Netbook proudly boasting about its 1024MB of memory via a colorful sticker that'd be considered excessively large on a 17.3" workstation, somehow runn…
> UX of 8 and 8.1 was awful
The UX of Windows 8 was amazing on tablets, to the point where it's still my favourite touchscreen UI. The keyboard+mouse UX wasn't very good though, which is all that >99% of users ever used.
> 1gig of memory, a spinning hard drive and a single low powered x86 core were enough to get some image editing for a then school course done with some wiki pages in the background. I'd hardly believe it, had I not lived it. 10 and 11 have been regressions in my book.
I had a similar experience with the earlier releases of Windows 10 also [0]. I'm not really sure when Windows's performance got worse, but it was definitely some time after that.
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#105I'm stilll shocked that we're reinventining the wheel of things that were solved 20+ years ago, like UIs, and somehow making them massively more resource intensive
It's tempting to look at it that way; but that's being over-reductive. UIs of today are not the UIs of 20 years ago. Users expect much more from today's UIs, and UI toolkits necessarily get more complex as a result in order to deliver on those increased expectations. And if you don't agree, this is Windows we're talking about. Nothing's stopping you from creating your application with Win32 except for the fact that i…
> much more
Specifically?
> look and feel
Oh right so.
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
WP was incredibly smooth and they were willing to reinvent UX from first principles in ways that'll to this day make me reach for Sailfish OS if I didn't need physical buttons, but I must bring up the desktop version of Windows from that day. I'll never forget the Asus Netbook proudly boasting about its 1024MB of memory via a colorful sticker that'd be considered excessively large on a 17.3" workstation, somehow runn…
> UX of 8 and 8.1 was awful The UX of Windows 8 was amazing on tablets, to the point where it's still my favourite touchscreen UI. The keyboard+mouse UX wasn't very good though, which is all that >99% of users ever used. > 1gig of memory, a spinning hard drive and a single low powered x86 core were enough to get some image editing for a then school course done with some wiki pages in the background. I'd hardly believ…
It’s after the 2019 release, they started optimising for ssds.
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#107I run macOS every day, and while I find Apple Silicon shockingly fast - I'm surprised at how shockingly slow Finder seems to be. This might be off topic, but wish Apple would focused on Finder performance (app loading, window refresh, etc) like this blog post by Microsoft. And in case you're curious, my disk is only using 250GB in use (50GB for Apps, 150GB for System Data, 50GB for macOS)
The “Apps” app is so bad on macOS too (seems built off of Spotlight?). I’ll type the exact app name and it’ll suggest the one on my phone, an installer in Downloads, etc.. No one dog-fooded that thing.
Spotlight search is completely broken.
If I type "sa" the first result is Safari but if I type "safa" I get "Adguard for Safari.app".
In what world does this make sense?
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#108I'm stilll shocked that we're reinventining the wheel of things that were solved 20+ years ago, like UIs, and somehow making them massively more resource intensive
It's tempting to look at it that way; but that's being over-reductive. UIs of today are not the UIs of 20 years ago. Users expect much more from today's UIs, and UI toolkits necessarily get more complex as a result in order to deliver on those increased expectations. And if you don't agree, this is Windows we're talking about. Nothing's stopping you from creating your application with Win32 except for the fact that i…
Do they really though? I understand wanting to be able to use a common layout between mobile and PC devices, but even when you factor those things in there's no reason that we should've gone from something snappy at a few 100MHz to sluggish on multicore GHz processors
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's tempting to look at it that way; but that's being over-reductive. UIs of today are not the UIs of 20 years ago. Users expect much more from today's UIs, and UI toolkits necessarily get more complex as a result in order to deliver on those increased expectations. And if you don't agree, this is Windows we're talking about. Nothing's stopping you from creating your application with Win32 except for the fact that i…
> Users expect much more from today's UI This is funny. You know, users also want games to be ridden of DRM but I don’t think the big companies cared about that for a long time. Users also want a lot of things that they never got, like a visible scroll bar sometimes. And since Windows is primarily OEM or enterprise, I don’t know what users are going to do if Microsoft sticks to say Windows 7 UI? Like, uninstalling Wi…
> Users expect much more from today's UIs
Are these users in the room with us. If anything, today's UIs are dumbed down, mobile first abominations.
Re: WinUI 3 Performance: A Leap Forward
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
"aside from the start menu" is one hell of a caveat. When you screw up one of the main UI elements as badly as they did, it really drags the whole experience down.
Well most people just press the Windows key and type to open a program which works exactly the same on Win8. And personally I loved the start screen. And how often do you really need the start menu?
That's the most brain dead take I've seen in a while. Yes, forget about start menu and lets just search everything or use giant pictorials designed for 'blind' people.