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Self host your own LLM
You’d need to hand that mac mini over if subpoenaed
Can’t hand over something that doesn’t exist if it’s running in a VM container and gets destroyed every 12 hours
Claude for Legal
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Re: Claude for Legal
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
For (1) it's so wild to me that if I pay a lawyer, they can run the same queries on these tools and they are protected by attorney-client privilege, but if I do it to help me prepare my defense, then the exact same queries would be subject to subpoena/discovery. Does anyone know if there exists any OPSEC procedure for me to use third party tools like this for my own concerning legal questions that is both ethical and…
Wouldn't that same logic exclude evidence from Google searches, like "how to get away with murder"?
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Re: Claude for Legal
#73Re: Claude for Legal
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> Does anyone know if there exists any OPSEC procedure for me to use third party tools like this for my own concerning legal questions that is both ethical and allows me to be confident that my interactions won't land in discovery documents? Isn't that a fundamental misunderstanding? Would "OPSEC" like that amount to destruction of evidence or contempt of court or something like that? Like if all your incriminating d…
That’s absolutely part of my question. I’m not familiar enough with discovery to fully understand this.
Discovery in a criminal trial is more limited than in a civil trial.
Your only real defense against discovery is to not have said it, or to have destroyed all records of it before the hint of discovery wafted on the wind.
Re: Claude for Legal
#75This is why I think many of the current application-layer AI startup valuations are a bit iffy. When the big AI companies like Anthropic start expanding their vertical products, the calculus changes. I'm just wondering how committed they'll be - I guess the edge some startups still have, is the fear that product suites from OpenAI / Anthropic / etc. will go the way of Google products, a year or two then straight to t…
It's like asking what if AWS starts doing it, they have all the infrastructure in place. LLMs are just one cog. There is a lot on the application side they are not doing at all.
Re: Claude for Legal
#76Does anyone find it weird that Anthropic's Github org is `anthropics` (with an 's') and the `anthropic` username is owned by some random dude in Australia? Imagine the shenanigans someone can achieve with that user.
One would think that they could spontaneously offer him a hundred million dollars for it and solve the problem. I half-suspect they threatened him and he stuck to his guns.
Paying for stuff is not part of their modus operandi.
Re: Claude for Legal
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
For (1) it's so wild to me that if I pay a lawyer, they can run the same queries on these tools and they are protected by attorney-client privilege, but if I do it to help me prepare my defense, then the exact same queries would be subject to subpoena/discovery. Does anyone know if there exists any OPSEC procedure for me to use third party tools like this for my own concerning legal questions that is both ethical and…
>For (1) it's so wild to me that if I pay a lawyer, they can run the same queries on these tools and they are protected by attorney-client privilege, but if I do it to help me prepare my defense, then the exact same queries would be subject to subpoena/discovery. How's this any different than any professional license? You're basically paying for preferential treatment from the state in a given subject area.
> How's this any different than any professional license? You're basically paying for preferential treatment from the state in a given subject area.
Because it's got nothing to do with the professional part? Licensing should affect their practice of law, sure, but it shouldn't grant random other privileges.
Re: Claude for Legal
#78It will be hilarious to see this one play out because ChatGPT and Perplexity already do wonders for small-claim issues like tenancy laws, various personal letters, etc.
It's already doing wonders for small time businesses and individuals that municipalities think they're free to jerk around because the size of the screwing they're trying to dish out isn't worth hiring a lawyer and/or fighting through court over.
I assure you, in most democracies, most people are jerked around by other people acting in bad faith far more often than their government acting in bad faith.
Landlords, tenants, vendors, business and former romantic partners, clients, banks, even your local gym is way more likely to try to fuck you over than the government is.
Re: Claude for Legal
#79How does this compare to the other legal tech ai startup products? Harvey is valued at $11b
Investors in Harvey and Legora are both in for a rude shock.