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What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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I remember visiting a friend in California which I think was the first place to ban smoking in bars. Anyhow we want to some jazz club and no one was smoking. So weird. And I didn't and don't smoke. If you had asked me I would have said, nah I don't smoke and I don't like the smell but I get used to it. When I got out of that place I suddenly realized that it I didn't "not like it" it really bugged me. And no, I never…

It is kind of weird but I have nostalgia for cigarette smoke smell. When I catch someone on the street smoking I take a big whiff. I will say bars do not smell better now that the cigarette smoke is gone. At least for some dive bars. That smoke was doing some heavy lifting...

In college, we had two bars that still had smoking despite it being banned in our state. The exception was it had to have doors and a completely separate HVAC. One bar had a smoking second story that had most of the pool tables and TVs while downstairs was a more relaxed area. Another bar bought out the building directly behind them and put a door connecting the two buildings.

Hookah bars got wrapped up in the smoking ban too which I think was an overreach. You go to a hookah bar to smoke, you don't go there to watch a game, shoot pool, and have a beer. The one hookah bar in town actually sued the state over it. Because they also sold hookah supplies, they were exempted.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

I can remember there used to be a tube train set aside for smokers.

Sometimes it was thick with smoke and the walls would have tar.

After the Oxford St, Kings Cross Tube station fires, along with the Bradford stadium fire in the 80s they thought that safety could be improved a tad.

Personally, I like my air fresh.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

The last hold out in the UK was the offices of BAT (British American Tobacco). They had ashtrays, spittoons and untold free cigarettes for their staff to help themselves to.

To spice it up a bit, they had lots of cigarettes to try from developing markets. Sometimes these had extra flavour that appealed to the smoker, so more nicotine and tar.

They had this 70s style going on in the early 2000s, at a time when smoking had been outlawed from enclosed public spaces plus lots of outdoor spaces such as sports grounds and train platforms.

Out of the 70s context, the dedication to normalising smoking in the BAT offices made the place sound like more of a cult. I did not work there myself but I had a friend that did. He didn't smoke once he left the 'cult'.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food

This is my take (speaking of political preferences) but gender reassignment surgery is going to look like giving people lobotomies. I don't know when but I think attitudes abut sex/gender in future will be really different - not your side won and my side lost but just different then we understand. Like people won't do single sex sport different. I think the model for sports in the future is things like those obstacle…

> but gender reassignment surgery is going to look like giving people lobotomies.

Unlike lobotomies, there will always be some subset of the population who needs those kinds of surgeries. That said, as they've become increasingly sought after I do sometimes wonder if there will be enough detransitiors to cause us to be more cautious about performing them as readily in as many situations. Especially at young ages.

> Men and Women both compete at the same time but viewers are just aware that they have different capabilities;

I doubt that'll happen. Not as long as we have sports with winners and losers. Too often it would mean that women would never (or almost never) win. Women would need to accept never stepping into the winners circle and taking the trophy home. Either that or we'd end up giving two trophies at the end of every game, one trophy for the best male winner, and another for the best female loser. At that point however, the men and women aren't really in the same competition with each other and you might as well just have two separate teams.

There are also a number of sports where it would be dangerous for women and men to compete together. It works out fine when they're just taking turns running an obstacle course, but it's less fine when you've got men killing and causing serious harm to women in contact sports like rugby, MMA, and ice hockey. There are sports that many women wouldn't want to participate in at all if they had to play against men. We shouldn't deny those women the ability to play the sports they love on teams where they feel safe. That said, I've always felt that the men's teams should be open to anyone who wants to participate and can qualify (and often that's already the case today).

Not to overly infantilize the fairer sex here, but imagine that same proposal only with children. We don't put 6 year olds on NFL teams for many of the same reasons. No amount of bonus points awarded to the kids for the handicap of their size/skill would make it acceptable. It'd be less safe, it'd be demoralizing for children to lose all the time, and it'd be less fun for the players and less fun to watch for spectators. People want to see the best of the best go head to head. We can compartmentalize them because even pitting teams of the best 10-12 year olds against each other is exciting. Everybody has a reasonably fair chance. What teams would even pick up the 8 year old football player when they could get even a poor adult player instead? I know that the differences between men and women athletes aren't as extreme but I think it illustrates the issues.

Plus having separate teams for people of different sexes, ages, weight classes, and skill levels means that there are more games to play/watch/bet on/sell tickets for.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It is kind of weird but I have nostalgia for cigarette smoke smell. When I catch someone on the street smoking I take a big whiff. I will say bars do not smell better now that the cigarette smoke is gone. At least for some dive bars. That smoke was doing some heavy lifting...

In college, we had two bars that still had smoking despite it being banned in our state. The exception was it had to have doors and a completely separate HVAC. One bar had a smoking second story that had most of the pool tables and TVs while downstairs was a more relaxed area. Another bar bought out the building directly behind them and put a door connecting the two buildings. Hookah bars got wrapped up in the smokin…

The hookah supply loophole is interesting. I guess that would also explain cigar lounges as these are cigar shops as well. Vegas still also allows it I believe at least in some casinos. Vegas airport had smoking sections last time I connected through there too.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

I remember flying back then. I was young, and for some reason I got moved to First Class, wow!

But planes back then had smoking and non-smoking.

And the "first class row" behind me was smoking.

So imagine I was in first class row 3, and the people in first class row 4 were smoking.

I felt like I should try to go back to coach row 18 or whatever, which was probably 10 rows away from smoking in 28.

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Not only teflon, but pfas. Overuse of pesticides. The second coming of authoritarianism 80 years after the last time. Not doing enough about climate change. Anthropocene extinction.

Yeah, Nazis again surprised me and I'm not even a young person. I figured sure it's a pattern, but it'll take like 150 years or something, nope, here we are in less than 100 years and there are Nazis again.

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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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> fossil fuel cars All or almost all of fire is my guess. My guess is that celebratory fire is last to go, bonfires, fireworks, in 2070 probably roasting marshmallows is at the edge of reasonable behaviour, but the idea that we deliberately burned things as part of normal life will seem very odd. In 1870 fire is the usual (and incredibly wasteful) way humans make light and heat everywhere. In 1970 there's more abstra…

With the decline of cigarettes, there are homo sapiens children growing up today who have never seen fire. First time in two million years.

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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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> The major catastrophe that could happen is for evolution of plastic eating bacteria like the creation of (dead) wood eating bacteria. Look at all the plastic containers etc you have in your kitchen and imagine it's just gone. Look at all the wood you have in your house. Notice that it is still there. Despite the fact that bacteria are very, very good at eating wood. Even in the hypothetical case that bacteria evolv…

A bacteria that could eat plastic and shit something nicer or at least further-biodegradable would be an absolute miracle. Sprinkle it on every landfill and ocean "plastic island" in the world and let it do its thing.

Oh, absolutely—and as I understand it, something like that has already been discovered or developed, at least in early stages (though I don't recall whether it's a bacteria or a fungus offhand).

But the post I was responding to made it sound like a plastic-eating bacteria would just instantly dissolve all the plastic in your house.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

But everyone knows they're healthy! It's a herbal remedy taken bronchially as an inhumnation, as this video by Dr.Fry indicates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XewVicFzRxw
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