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Can anyone let me know if these are legitimate? I have heard things about them in the past..

I use aniracetam (500mg twice daily) together with a choline supplement. It definitely improves my cognitive stamina: while I don't think it boosts my 'peak' ability, it increases the amount of time I can operate at that level.

It doesn't seem to be right/left-brain specific, either - my wife (a psychotherapist) finds it similarly helpful.

Regarding side effects, I had some headaches and disorientation during the first week, but nothing after that.

Better living through chemistry :-)

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I believe in research, I believe that we need to seek understanding and explore concepts, technologies and questions that can improve our race.

However, I have a huge issue with one of the goals of the project "People may choose to take nootropics due to the additional clarity it gives them, leading to increased performance in all walks of life."

The ethical dilemmas that this creates are massive. What about the authenticity of what it means to be "human". WHat about the adverse affects it will have on competition against those who don't have access to the enhancement (due to physiological, economic or other reasons)?

We need to understand this class of substance, however we cannot responsibly peddle "enhancements" in this way.

The ethics on this subject are extensively debated in academia (see works by Forlini & Racine among others...) and the only clear consensus that I've seen is that there are some very serious unanswered questions about the societal impact of this.

Would anyone back this campaign if it was studying athletic doping?

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I believe in research, I believe that we need to seek understanding and explore concepts, technologies and questions that can improve our race. However, I have a huge issue with one of the goals of the project "People may choose to take nootropics due to the additional clarity it gives them, leading to increased performance in all walks of life." The ethical dilemmas that this creates are massive. What about the auth…

> What about the adverse affects it will have on competition against those who don't have access to the enhancement (due to physiological, economic or other reasons)?

This is already a "problem". I don't think a new (potentially, safer) nootropic drug would make matters any worse.

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I believe in research, I believe that we need to seek understanding and explore concepts, technologies and questions that can improve our race. However, I have a huge issue with one of the goals of the project "People may choose to take nootropics due to the additional clarity it gives them, leading to increased performance in all walks of life." The ethical dilemmas that this creates are massive. What about the auth…

I see no moral dilemma in the least. There are two problems with doping. First, athletic competition is human vs human and is innately about the limits of human ability. Why prove a human can lift large amounts of weight instead of using a fork lift? Second, most athletic performance enhancing drugs do long term damage, so people are trading in their health for winning.

If there were a safe mental enhancing drug, I would definitely take it and never a moral dilemma in the least.

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Wow this sounds safe... get some random drug that these people make at the end of it? Could be anything.

> Could be anything.

That's true, but then again, that doughnut you purchased to "Support the Troops!" could contain anything as well.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tylenol_murders

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I believe in research, I believe that we need to seek understanding and explore concepts, technologies and questions that can improve our race. However, I have a huge issue with one of the goals of the project "People may choose to take nootropics due to the additional clarity it gives them, leading to increased performance in all walks of life." The ethical dilemmas that this creates are massive. What about the auth…

> What about the adverse affects it will have on competition against those who don't have access to the enhancement (due to physiological, economic or other reasons)? This is already a "problem". I don't think a new (potentially, safer) nootropic drug would make matters any worse.

Did you just imply that existing problems are difficult to make worse, so we should only worry about brand new problems?

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Can anyone let me know if these are legitimate? I have heard things about them in the past..

I use aniracetam (500mg twice daily) together with a choline supplement. It definitely improves my cognitive stamina: while I don't think it boosts my 'peak' ability, it increases the amount of time I can operate at that level. It doesn't seem to be right/left-brain specific, either - my wife (a psychotherapist) finds it similarly helpful. Regarding side effects, I had some headaches and disorientation during the fir…

I think he meant something in the line of sources of clinical trials etc. Nonetheless, the sources on Wikipedia suggest that they have been extensively tested in mice, like all the other stuff we take. And they do have proven use in treating Alzheimers etc. They are considered nontoxic or even neuro-protective, but in my opinion often sought out for based on reviews from first users who are mostly biased from the start and therefor easily placeboo'd. No offence :) I'd love to try them, but I'm in dubio for reasons stated above.
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